|
Tab Menu 1
| Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun! |
 |
10-07-2012, 05:52 PM
|
 |
Forever Loved Admin
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,537
|
|
|
Re: Are others called to Pastor?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus2woman
Some things to think about... Maybe I jaded from living in Texas... So tell me what do you think about
Joel Olsteen
Ed Young
TD Jakes
Ed Young Jr
Kerry Shook
Jack Graham
Ira Hillard
Cause several of those fellows are almost in my backyard. And then we have televangelists and circuit preachers like Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar... oh heck, you get the point! How is that different? Many of them started out just like you describe. When does it become a problem exactly? Can a man really pastor 50 people... 100... 200...500...1,000... 5,000? It seems that everyone decides that 'just bigger than I am' is too big... yet everyone is trying to grow and no one ever voluntarily divides.
I don't doubt that you are sincere and that you are doing your best but do you see what is wrong with the system? My kid is in jail right now and I buried my mother in March. Managing to handle both of those life situations without a 'hired man' and so could anyone else. Many people have just been convinced that they can not... and that they can not 'make it' without a 'man of God'... nuts.
I mean if money is the measure of a pastor... This is the best we've got!
 |
I only know who three of those men are, and to me they are not Pastor's in the single Pastor sense. They have to have others under them to help them. They can't pastor that many people effectively.
__________________
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
|
10-07-2012, 05:55 PM
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,485
|
|
|
Re: Are others called to Pastor?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy
I only know who three of those men are, and to me they are not Pastor's in the single Pastor sense. They have to have others under them to help them. They can't pastor that many people effectively.
|
So how many people CAN one man pastor EFFECTIVELY?
Cause I'm just going to be 100% honest here... I have a hard time keeping up with praying for my children, husband, brother, sickly neighbor, dying friend, coworkers in crisis, people I meet out and about, etc. Listening to the troubles of a few good girlfriends that I've known and loved for years, and trying to be sound in my advice. At the end of almost every day there is someone I've said 'I'll pray for you' to that I have probably forgotten. I'm going to assume that paid pastors still have all these people in their lives... So how many other people do you think they can be faithful to?
Last edited by Titus2woman; 10-07-2012 at 06:00 PM.
|
10-07-2012, 05:59 PM
|
|
Forever Loved Admin
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,537
|
|
|
Re: Are others called to Pastor?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus2woman
So how many people CAN one man pastor EFFECTIVELY?
|
I would say 200-300 maybe.
__________________
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
|
10-07-2012, 06:05 PM
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,485
|
|
|
Re: Are others called to Pastor?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy
I would say 200-300 maybe.
|
I love you to pieces Cindy... but...
I completely disagree that any man can have any kind of an effective relationship with 200-300 people... ever. And I believe that this is why the early church was a small group model.
A person can bring a message to hundreds of thousands...(probably not on a weekly basis if he wants to do any kind of decent job) but relationship?... no way.
|
10-07-2012, 06:14 PM
|
|
Forever Loved Admin
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,537
|
|
|
Re: Are others called to Pastor?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus2woman
I love you to pieces Cindy... but...
I completely disagree that any man can have any kind of an effective relationship with 200-300 people... ever. And I believe that this is why the early church was a small group model.
A person can bring a message to hundreds of thousands...(probably not on a weekly basis if he wants to do any kind of decent job) but relationship?... no way.
|
With today's technology I don't really see a problem with that. Not everyone needs him at the same time, usually. Maybe 200 should be the maximum.
__________________
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
|
10-07-2012, 06:23 PM
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,485
|
|
|
Re: Are others called to Pastor?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy
With today's technology I don't really see a problem with that. Not everyone needs him at the same time, usually. Maybe 200 should be the maximum.
|
And herein lies the problem... For every person I know and love... they have kids, a husband, a mom and dad, brothers and sisters, neices and nephews, friends who are not my friends, etc. At most times nearly everyone has something in their lives that is stressing them...
Right now I personally have; grief issues over losing my mom recently. A son in jail, a brother headed to death row, a child custody battle in the family, and a brand new baby granddaughter who is sick with a bad cold. So just keeping up with my junk if you are my friend will keep you busy. And I have a pretty quiet life compared to many people I know. My marriage is solid, most my kids are doing great, there is no serious sickness in my family and no one terminally ill. We are all financially fine, have food, shelter, and even savings. And we know God.
200... no way....
|
10-07-2012, 06:57 PM
|
|
Forever Loved Admin
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,537
|
|
|
Re: Are others called to Pastor?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titus2woman
And herein lies the problem... For every person I know and love... they have kids, a husband, a mom and dad, brothers and sisters, neices and nephews, friends who are not my friends, etc. At most times nearly everyone has something in their lives that is stressing them...
Right now I personally have; grief issues over losing my mom recently. A son in jail, a brother headed to death row, a child custody battle in the family, and a brand new baby granddaughter who is sick with a bad cold. So just keeping up with my junk if you are my friend will keep you busy. And I have a pretty quiet life compared to many people I know. My marriage is solid, most my kids are doing great, there is no serious sickness in my family and no one terminally ill. We are all financially fine, have food, shelter, and even savings. And we know God.
200... no way....
|
But, that is where the elders of the church come in. The Pastor doesn't have to do it alone.
__________________
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
 Hybrid Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:10 PM.
| |
