Are others called to Pastor?

[AreYouReady?]

I have to ask who decided that it was "the pastor's" job to sit with sick people all night?

Where is the biblical precedent?

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I have to ask who decided that it was "the pastor's" job to sit with sick people all night?

Where is the biblical precedent?

Oh, man this is going nowhere!

I was in the hospital with a heart attack
the pastor and his wife came to visit me.

Where is THAT in the bible????

I can see where this is going.
All common sense is going out the
window here!

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Oh, man this is going nowhere!

I was in the hospital with a heart attack
the pastor and his wife came to visit me.

Where is THAT in the bible????

I can see where this is going.
All common sense is going out the
window here!

Any Holy Ghost filled saint should be just as effective praying with you as the hired hand called "the pastor". And as Holy Ghost filled, saints should have that love in them to want to come and be by a sick one's side. Now days they don't even bother to pick up a phone to see if one is ok when they miss church. They leave it up to the hired pastor, who doesn't have time because he is busy sitting with somebody else. Apparently you do not see this to be a problem.

Where is the common sense when people hire a man to do all the things you posted?

You don't get it dort. Christ's church isn't supposed to be about hired help coming to pray with you while you are sick. We...people...we all make up the body and share with love and support to the weak, the sick, the needy and yes, even the preaching. Some hirelings really do not care for the sheep because it is "their job" to visit them and say a little prayer when sick.

Christ talked about this in his parables.

Give me Biblical precedent that a pastor is supposed to do all that you listed as a "job" and I will shut up.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Any Holy Ghost filled saint should be just as effective praying with you as the hired hand called "the pastor". And as Holy Ghost filled, saints should have that love in them to want to come and be by a sick one's side. Now days they don't even bother to pick up a phone to see if one is ok when they miss church. They leave it up to the hired pastor, who doesn't have time because he is busy sitting with somebody else. Apparently you do not see this to be a problem.

Where is the common sense when people hire a man to do all the things you posted?

You don't get it dort. Christ's church isn't supposed to be about hired help coming to pray with you while you are sick. We...people...we all make up the body and share with love and support to the weak, the sick, the needy and yes, even the preaching. Some hirelings really do not care for the sheep because it is "their job" to visit them and say a little prayer when sick.

Christ talked about this in his parables.

Give me Biblical precedent that a pastor is supposed to do all that you listed as a "job" and I will shut up.

Exactly! A body is not made up just of the "head" or the "feet"! It takes all parts of the body working together to function. And the head of this particular body, the church.............. is Christ... and NOT the pastor!

The pastor, preacher, teacher, evangelist, prophets and so on are all part of the BODY just like everyone else, from the janitor to the secretary to the choir director to the sunday school teacher. If all are not functioning together, working together... then the body isn't a body.

And that is why the church is so sickly today and so much distress on every hand. One person wants to call all the shots, show up for all the important events, get all the credit, and let the rest of the "body" do all the work, in many cases.

When in effect, if we all were acting as servants in the body with Christ being our head, our efforts would reach far greater than our minds could ever conceive!

[Dordrecht]

Where is the common sense when people hire a man to do all the things you posted?

WHERE did I post all the things a pastor should do????????

Nowhere!

You don't get it dort. Christ's church isn't supposed to be about hired help coming to pray with you while you are sick. We...people...we all make up the body and share with love and support to the weak, the sick, the needy and yes, even the preaching.

Yes, that's all fine and dandy but you and I both know
that in reality this does not come into practice in most
churches.


Anyhow, we keep disagreeing here till we see green and purple.
(I still love you guys even though I disagree!)

I believe a pastor should get a decent wage
for the work he's doing. The laborer deserves
a decent reward. End of story.
I am out of here.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

WHERE did I post all the things a pastor should do????????

Nowhere!

To be fair to you, you imply that the pastor should be paid for certain things like coming to see you when you had your heart attack, preach and whatever you had in your mind. So I did not make a "list" of what you said. In fact, I digressed because you never actually made a strong case for your position as to why you believe they ought to be paid a decent wage, except to disagree with those who do not agree with your position.

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Yes, that's all fine and dandy but you and I both know
that in reality this does not come into practice in most
churches.

And why doesn't come into practice in most churches? Where is the love we are supposed to have for one another? When we try to do what is scriptural, some of us are reprimanded by the pastors because "that's not our job" we are told.

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I believe a pastor should get a decent wage
for the work he's doing. The laborer deserves
a decent reward. End of story.
I am out of here.

You still haven't given me scriptural decription of what a pastor's duties are...so what does he biblically do to earn a decent wage?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Oh, man this is going nowhere!

I was in the hospital with a heart attack
the pastor and his wife came to visit me.

Where is THAT in the bible????

I can see where this is going.
All common sense is going out the
window here!

Should it really be "The Pastor"?

Or should it be "The church"?

[Dordrecht]

I did check my Bible and there is nothing in the NT that gives a pastor all the power over the people that is currently given in the OP organized church system. There is nothing that says the tithe goes to the pastor. I want to read where you see the connection...from your pov

Good morning!

The only reason I come back here is
because you put words in my mouth.

I never said the pastor has ALL THE POWER,
I never mentioned TITHES going to the pastor.

You either did not read my posts and are making things up or
you are just a plain liar about what I posted.

it's very difficult to discuss something with
a person who makes up things to make himself
look good and "spiritual".

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Good morning!

The only reason I come back here is
because you put words in my mouth.

I never said the pastor has ALL THE POWER,
I never mentioned TITHES going to the pastor.

You either did not read my posts and are making things up or
you are just a plain liar about what I posted.

it's very difficult to discuss something with
a person who makes up things to make himself
look good and "spiritual".

Dordrecht, I posted this but I never said that YOU said it did I? I never put words in your mouth. Why don't you just explain yourself a little better so that my responses will be more to the point.

For a recap here...we are discussing pastors and is it biblical for one pastor to one congregation. I asked why are we paying people (pastors in particular) to do a work for Christ? You said:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

If a person is in full time ministry he should get paid.
How else is he going to put food on the table?

Your definition of pastor and the bible's definition is what? I have been asking you what are the scriptural references that pastors use to justify their position over the church. That is what I have been asking. You have yet to give me any scriptural answer. You will not give me a biblical definition of what a pastor is or his scriptural duties. You came here calling people on this forum crooks, labeled this thread as a "pastor bashing" thread and now you are calling me a liar. I do not appreciate that at all!

Do you deliberately skirt questions and not give adequate answers so that someone has to assume you agree with the current mindset on biblical matters, then turn around and call people liars and accuse them of being thought of as spiritually superior to everybody else?

I am going to clear this up right now. When I asked you to give me scriptural description of what a pastor's duties are and what he biblically does to earn what you termed a decent wage, you answered this:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I have said I am out of here.

You know what the duties are.
Check your bible.

This discussion goes nowhere.

Good night.

I answered:

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

If you were out of here, why then did you come back and give me a non answer?

I did check my Bible and there is nothing in the NT that gives a pastor all the power over the people that is currently given in the OP organized church system. There is nothing that says the tithe goes to the pastor. I want to read where you see the connection...from your pov

Where do you read that I said you said any of this? Look over the whole thread. You will not find it.

That's the problem here. You will not give any scriptural references or even how or why you think they should get paid a decent wage. You don't even state what a decent wage is.

What you will find are your non answers and my assumptions that you must believe the accepted notion throughout the OP community that pastors get the "tithes", or at the very least a goodly portion of "tithe money" because you refuse to give clarity to what you are thinking or believing.

So how about you actually giving viable answers so people can understand your pov before you deny anything or call people liars.

I am no liar and for you to publicly accuse me of being one is falsely accusing me.

For the record, I know where the duties of the pastor originated, why he is placed in such a lofty position of power and why he is allowed to make rules for the church he pastors. Such duties were not given to him from the bible either.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Should it really be "The Pastor"?

Or should it be "The church"?

Yes, all 879 should have been around my
hospital bed and the pastor should have
been busy at his job being a greeter at Walmart.