Are others called to Pastor?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Oh, man this is going nowhere!

I was in the hospital with a heart attack
the pastor and his wife came to visit me.

Where is THAT in the bible????

I can see where this is going.
All common sense is going out the
window here!

Any Holy Ghost filled saint should be just as effective praying with you as the hired hand called "the pastor". And as Holy Ghost filled, saints should have that love in them to want to come and be by a sick one's side. Now days they don't even bother to pick up a phone to see if one is ok when they miss church. They leave it up to the hired pastor, who doesn't have time because he is busy sitting with somebody else. Apparently you do not see this to be a problem.

Where is the common sense when people hire a man to do all the things you posted?

You don't get it dort. Christ's church isn't supposed to be about hired help coming to pray with you while you are sick. We...people...we all make up the body and share with love and support to the weak, the sick, the needy and yes, even the preaching. Some hirelings really do not care for the sheep because it is "their job" to visit them and say a little prayer when sick.

Christ talked about this in his parables.

Give me Biblical precedent that a pastor is supposed to do all that you listed as a "job" and I will shut up.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Any Holy Ghost filled saint should be just as effective praying with you as the hired hand called "the pastor". And as Holy Ghost filled, saints should have that love in them to want to come and be by a sick one's side. Now days they don't even bother to pick up a phone to see if one is ok when they miss church. They leave it up to the hired pastor, who doesn't have time because he is busy sitting with somebody else. Apparently you do not see this to be a problem.

Where is the common sense when people hire a man to do all the things you posted?

You don't get it dort. Christ's church isn't supposed to be about hired help coming to pray with you while you are sick. We...people...we all make up the body and share with love and support to the weak, the sick, the needy and yes, even the preaching. Some hirelings really do not care for the sheep because it is "their job" to visit them and say a little prayer when sick.

Christ talked about this in his parables.

Give me Biblical precedent that a pastor is supposed to do all that you listed as a "job" and I will shut up.

Exactly! A body is not made up just of the "head" or the "feet"! It takes all parts of the body working together to function. And the head of this particular body, the church.............. is Christ... and NOT the pastor!

The pastor, preacher, teacher, evangelist, prophets and so on are all part of the BODY just like everyone else, from the janitor to the secretary to the choir director to the sunday school teacher. If all are not functioning together, working together... then the body isn't a body.

And that is why the church is so sickly today and so much distress on every hand. One person wants to call all the shots, show up for all the important events, get all the credit, and let the rest of the "body" do all the work, in many cases.

When in effect, if we all were acting as servants in the body with Christ being our head, our efforts would reach far greater than our minds could ever conceive!

[Dordrecht]

Where is the common sense when people hire a man to do all the things you posted?

WHERE did I post all the things a pastor should do????????

Nowhere!

You don't get it dort. Christ's church isn't supposed to be about hired help coming to pray with you while you are sick. We...people...we all make up the body and share with love and support to the weak, the sick, the needy and yes, even the preaching.

Yes, that's all fine and dandy but you and I both know
that in reality this does not come into practice in most
churches.


Anyhow, we keep disagreeing here till we see green and purple.
(I still love you guys even though I disagree!)

I believe a pastor should get a decent wage
for the work he's doing. The laborer deserves
a decent reward. End of story.
I am out of here.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

WHERE did I post all the things a pastor should do????????

Nowhere!

To be fair to you, you imply that the pastor should be paid for certain things like coming to see you when you had your heart attack, preach and whatever you had in your mind. So I did not make a "list" of what you said. In fact, I digressed because you never actually made a strong case for your position as to why you believe they ought to be paid a decent wage, except to disagree with those who do not agree with your position.

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Yes, that's all fine and dandy but you and I both know
that in reality this does not come into practice in most
churches.

And why doesn't come into practice in most churches? Where is the love we are supposed to have for one another? When we try to do what is scriptural, some of us are reprimanded by the pastors because "that's not our job" we are told.

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I believe a pastor should get a decent wage
for the work he's doing. The laborer deserves
a decent reward. End of story.
I am out of here.

You still haven't given me scriptural decription of what a pastor's duties are...so what does he biblically do to earn a decent wage?