Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

[H Gang]

Originally Posted by Peacemaker

I would be interested to hear what people think "Apostolic" means here at the AFF. I am fairly certain that most people who would call themselves an Apostolic would at a minimum believe that repentance is necessary for salvation, baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins is also necessary for salvation, and that there must be an infilling of the Holy Ghost.

I believe that the infilling must be evidenced by speaking in tongues.

I was under the impression that must people who believe in speaking in tongues in a general sense were viewed to be Pentecostal or possibly charismatic.

Thoughts?

The label Apostolic means little to me. I know how it was defined growing up and being a part of it. Actually, the Roman Catholic Church coined the term espousing the belief that the pope is in a direct line of succession from Peter who they claim was the first pope. They believe all of the bishops of the RCC are apostles to the church in the spirit of the first apostles.

The New Apostolic Church (NAC) is a chiliastic church, converted to Protestantism as a free church from the Catholic Apostolic Church. The church has existed since 1879 in Germany and since 1897 in the Netherlands. It came about from the schism in Hamburg in 1863, when it demerged from the Catholic Apostolic Church, which itself started in the 1830s as a renewal movement in, among others, the Anglican Church and Church of Scotland.

The New Apostolic Reformation has Pentecostal and charismatic origins, with those traditions' interpretations of the nature of the ongoing ministry of the Holy Spirit within each believer. Unlike some parts of Protestant Christianity, these include the direct revelation of Christ to each believer, prophecy, and the performance of miracles such as healing.

The New Apostolic Reformation traces its historical roots to late-twentieth-century American charismatic churches, and the earliest use of the moniker was by C. Peter Wagner prompting journalists to perceive him as de facto founder and leader, though its ideas were promoted earlier by people involved in the Shepherding Movement and by Terry Virgo.

It has received little attention in non-Charismatic or Pentecostal theological traditions. According to Wagner, “The second apostolic age began in the year 2001”, when, according to him, the lost offices of "Prophet" and "Apostle" were restored, in this age.

So you see labels are relative.

Why is it so important to define everybody? Should we focus on Jesus rather than the apostles? Did the original apostles seek to be like each other or like Jesus?

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by H Gang

Why is it so important to define everybody? Should we focus on Jesus rather than the apostles? Did the original apostles seek to be like each other or like Jesus?

Jesus chose his disciples. One day Peter questioned Jesus about the fact that they had left all to follow him. What would they get! Jesus replied that they who had followed him, in the regeneration, when the Son of man, would sit in the throne of his glory, they would also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matt. 19:28 After Jesus' resurrection he appeared to his disciples and would teach them. Read Luke 24:44-53. (Luke wrote Acts also). Those who followed Jesus before his ascension, would suffer much persecution. Those who followed Jesus, would later suffer much persecution. But in the end they would reign with him. He told them what to teach and preach. This is known as THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE or Teaching. Why shouldn't it be important. It was JESUS' Teaching that HE PUT INTO His chosen Apostles. They were to pass it on. That same teaching came to our family in 1933, from an old white-haired preacher who came to my paternal grandmother and her son (my late father). It was searched out in scripture, BELIEVED (faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of GOD), OBEYED and RECEIVED and has/is being passed on to the 6th generation. OH, How I thank GOD for the message of Apostolic salvation. The Blessings have been, and continue to be, that which money cannot buy! What a treasure it is. TOO many today have been short-changed concerning this Wonderful message. The Message in Acts 2. Perhaps it has been HIDDEN from the so-called wise and prudant, but REVEALED to babes. (Those who came to HIM as a little child).

Falla39

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by falla39

jesus chose his disciples. One day peter questioned jesus about the fact that they had left all to follow him. What would they get! Jesus replied that they who had followed him, in the regeneration, when the son of man, would sit in the throne of his glory, they would also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of israel. Matt. 19:28 after jesus' resurrection he appeared to his disciples and would teach them. Read luke 24:44-53. (luke wrote acts also). Those who followed jesus before his ascension, would suffer much persecution. Those who followed jesus, would later suffer much persecution. But in the end they would reign with him. He told them what to teach and preach. This is known as the apostles doctrine or teaching. Why shouldn't it be important. It was jesus' teaching that he put into his chosen apostles. They were to pass it on. That same teaching came to our family in 1933, from an old white-haired preacher who came to my paternal grandmother and her son (my late father). It was searched out in scripture, believed (faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of god), obeyed and received and has/is being passed on to the 6th generation. Oh, how i thank god for the message of apostolic salvation. The blessings have been, and continue to be, that which money cannot buy! What a treasure it is. Too many today have been short-changed concerning this wonderful message. The message in acts 2. Perhaps it has been hidden from the so-called wise and prudant, but revealed to babes. (those who came to him as a little child).

Falla39

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Mark 16:28-31 goes into more detail than Matthew 19:28.

Mark 10:28-31

28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.

29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first. KJV

Originally Posted by Falla39

Jesus chose his disciples. One day Peter questioned Jesus about the fact that they had left all to follow him. What would they get! Jesus replied that they who had followed him, in the regeneration, when the Son of man, would sit in the throne of his glory, they would also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matt. 19:28 After Jesus' resurrection he appeared to his disciples and would teach them. Read Luke 24:44-53. (Luke wrote Acts also). Those who followed Jesus before his ascension, would suffer much persecution. Those who followed Jesus, would later suffer much persecution. But in the end they would reign with him. He told them what to teach and preach. This is known as THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE or Teaching. Why shouldn't it be important. It was JESUS' Teaching that HE PUT INTO His chosen Apostles. They were to pass it on. That same teaching came to our family in 1933, from an old white-haired preacher who came to my paternal grandmother and her son (my late father). It was searched out in scripture, BELIEVED (faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of GOD), OBEYED and RECEIVED and has/is being passed on to the 6th generation. OH, How I thank GOD for the message of Apostolic salvation. The Blessings have been, and continue to be, that which money cannot buy! What a treasure it is. TOO many today have been short-changed concerning this Wonderful message. The Message in Acts 2. Perhaps it has been HIDDEN from the so-called wise and prudant, but REVEALED to babes. (Those who came to HIM as a little child).

Falla39

[H Gang]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Jesus chose his disciples. One day Peter questioned Jesus about the fact that they had left all to follow him. What would they get! Jesus replied that they who had followed him, in the regeneration, when the Son of man, would sit in the throne of his glory, they would also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matt. 19:28 After Jesus' resurrection he appeared to his disciples and would teach them. Read Luke 24:44-53. (Luke wrote Acts also). Those who followed Jesus before his ascension, would suffer much persecution. Those who followed Jesus, would later suffer much persecution. But in the end they would reign with him. He told them what to teach and preach. This is known as THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE or Teaching. Why shouldn't it be important. It was JESUS' Teaching that HE PUT INTO His chosen Apostles. They were to pass it on. That same teaching came to our family in 1933, from an old white-haired preacher who came to my paternal grandmother and her son (my late father). It was searched out in scripture, BELIEVED (faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of GOD), OBEYED and RECEIVED and has/is being passed on to the 6th generation. OH, How I thank GOD for the message of Apostolic salvation. The Blessings have been, and continue to be, that which money cannot buy! What a treasure it is. TOO many today have been short-changed concerning this Wonderful message. The Message in Acts 2. Perhaps it has been HIDDEN from the so-called wise and prudant, but REVEALED to babes. (Those who came to HIM as a little child).

Falla39

"The Message in Acts 2" was Peter preaching Christ unto them. Read the whole chapter not just verse 38. And read the whole book of Acts, not just chapter 2. There are 19 accounts of conversions recorded in Acts. Five of those conversions include the "formula" (I don't believe salvation is a formula but I know the jargon) of Acts 2:38. Yet in 100% of the accounts repentance/faith/belief is always present. If Acts 2:38, the way you interpret it, was the apostles doctrine, why doesn't Paul communicate it that way to the Philippian jailor in Acts 16? Why isn't it communicated that way in all 19 recorded cases of conversions? Why don't the apostles who wrote the epistles mention it as Peter stated it ONCE in any of their letters to the early church? Why do we find repentance/faith/belief communicate ALL OVER the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, but a few bits and pieces of scripture to make the case for a OP doctrine of salvation?

Trying to rightly divide the Word is not being "wise and prudent" in the sense Jesus used that phraseology. He used that language referring to Pharisees who were blind to WHO HE WAS. You know the Pharisees who were strict, conservative and disciplined---more consecrated than everyone else, judging everyone else, more holy than everyone else. They missed the truth of Christ because they ere so focused on how right they were, how special they were and how many generations back they went of being right, while the rest of the world was wrong.

I don't believe for a second that the apostles were consumed with their identity being each other. They were possessed with "Christ and Him crucified." Jesus was the center of their teaching and preaching, not some "formula".