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[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Nowhere did the Apostles command socialism. Nowhere do we find it past Acts 8 when the church was dispersed by persecution. Furthermore, nowhere does the Bible support the idea of God's kingdom being propagated by secular governments using the police power of the State to seize wealth from one person and give it to another.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,


nowhere past acts 8????? what kind of argument is that???? i suppose we can throw out the gospels and the entire old testament also. what a farce and a phony. is socialism in the bible or not? yes or no?


individuals in a secular government could be agents in the kingdom of god bringing justice, salvation and wholeness in the here and now, not the afterlife.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,


nowhere past acts 8????? what kind of argument is that???? i suppose we can throw out the gospels and the entire old testament also. what a farce and a phony. is socialism in the bible or not? yes or no?


individuals in a secular government could be agents in the kingdom of god bringing justice, salvation and wholeness in the here and now, not the afterlife.

You avoided my point completely. Nowhere were the people commanded by the Apostles to do it. And we don't see it mentioned as such after the dispersal of the Jerusalem church. Nowhere does the Bible condone socialism? BTW, what commune do you live with? What group do you submit your paycheck to for re-distribution. And again I say...nowhere does the Bible support the idea of God's kingdom being propagated by secular governments using the police power of the State to seize wealth from one person and give it to another.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You avoided my point completely. Nowhere were the people commanded by the Apostles to do it. And we don't see it mentioned as such after the dispersal of the Jerusalem church. Nowhere does the Bible condone socialism. BTW, what commune do you live with? What group do you submit your paycheck to for re-distribution. And again I say...nowhere does the Bible support the idea of God's kingdom being propagated by secular governments using the police power of the State to seize wealth from one person and give it to another.

if the bible doesn't condone socialism, where in the bible does god condone capitalism? if niether is advocated then socialism is a viable option for christians to support. why do christians have to be capitalists?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

if the bible doesn't condone socialism, where in the bible does god condone capitalism? if niether is advocated then socialism is a viable option for christians to support. why do christians have to be capitalists?

You can voluntarily support whatever you want. In fact, we're kind of tight right now. Would you mind paying my power bill?

The problem is when Christians or anyone else condone a system where the government , through its police powers, seizes wealth from one person and re-distributes it to another. You obviously support that, making you an enemy of freedom and liberty. Give your money to whomever you choose, but don't try to steal ours because you think you know better than us who to give it to.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You can voluntarily support whatever you want. In fact, we're kind of tight right now. Would you mind paying my power bill?

The problem is when Christians or anyone else condone a system where the government , through its police powers, seizes wealth from one person and re-distributes it to another. You obviously support that, making you an enemy of freedom and liberty. Give your money to whomever you choose, but don't try to steal ours because you think you know better than us who to give it to.

no one is seizing wealth, it's called nationalization of natural resources. why should certain individuals prosper from god given resources and others not?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

no one is seizing wealth, it's called nationalization of natural resources. why should certain individuals prosper from god given resources and others not?

The government will still have to hire private contractors to go after those resources. The government does not own oil wells. Therefore, someone will benefit more than others. Furthermore, if I find oil on my land, why should I not be able to sell it and become wealthy?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You avoided my point completely. Nowhere were the people commanded by the Apostles to do it. And we don't see it mentioned as such after the dispersal of the Jerusalem church. Nowhere does the Bible condone socialism. BTW, what commune do you live with? What group do you submit your paycheck to for re-distribution. And again I say...nowhere does the Bible support the idea of God's kingdom being propagated by secular governments using the police power of the State to seize wealth from one person and give it to another.

the bible does say that we are agents of the kingdom of god and to preach the good news of the kingdom of god. the kingdom of god is egalitarian, all are equal. all are not equal under capitalism. where do you find that the kingdom of god is capitalistic? if not how do you describe the kingdom of god in the here and now?

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,


nowhere past acts 8????? what kind of argument is that???? i suppose we can throw out the gospels and the entire old testament also. what a farce and a phony. is socialism in the bible or not? yes or no?

First of all let me blow this silly argument out of the water real quickly.

No, socialism is not in the Bible, at all.

There are two primary aspects to the verse I want YOU yes YOU to notice, because I can't stand this verse being RIPPED out of context to fit political agendas.

Firstly, and most importantly, this was NOT the formation of a socialist government. This was a CHRISTIAN SECT deciding to give up their goods and live together giving themselves up totally to the ministry of God and the Apostles Doctrine. They shared everything in common simply because their life was now totally dedicated to Christ and to his work. These were the FIRST 3,000 who were saved and added to the church in scripture. And YES here it is there is no other group of individuals in scripture who we see doing this outside of these original 3,000. Paul even solicited offerings from individuals in the church of Corinth. In order to give offering you have to have something to offer, the Corinthian church was not operating this way in 1 Corinthians 16.

Secondly if you want to do what the 3,000 did go right ahead. Start a church sell all of your property and live in a commune. Don't pretend these were political activists for communist living because that is not what they were. They did not propagate sharing things in common with thieves, murderers, robbers, people who don't pay taxes, people who rape, etc. They were saints, every one of them were saved and worked to build the ministry. True saints give their all for the benefit and well-being of the church and the building of the ministry. You cannot run a government the way 3,000 Holy Ghost filled blood washed saints ran ONE church thousands of years ago. That would be insane.

You have again torn the scriptures out of context to support your agenda.

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

individuals in a secular government could be agents in the kingdom of god bringing justice, salvation and wholeness in the here and now, not the afterlife.

You have absolutely NO scripture to back that up.