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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

of course the apostles were missionaries, i'm just making a point that one of their chief concerns was the welfare of the poor. just as christ said, when we serve the poor, we serve him.

no one is robbing the rich. chavez is making the workers be part owners of the means of production so that all benefit equally.

Lots of people with money are concerned about the poor. But they'd rather give their money than have politicians and revolutionaries TAKE it by force and tell us they know better how to give it away

Higher taxes. Nationalization of businesses. Taking land from land owners. Stealing from the Rich

You don't want the Church. You want government

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Lots of people with money are concerned about the poor. But they'd rather give their money than have politicians and revolutionaries TAKE it by force and tell us they know better how to give it away

Higher taxes. Nationalization of businesses. Taking land from land owners. Stealing from the Rich

You don't want the Church. You want government

what about when the church becomes the government or fights for changes in the government. what is that government supposed to look like?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

what about when the church becomes the government or fights for changes in the government. what is that government supposed to look like?

Most of the States would not ratify the Constitution until there was a guarantee that the church would not become the government. And what is the government supposed to look like? It's supposed to look like what is laid out in the Constitution.

[navygoat1998]

What about my avatar???? I am making a political statement.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

What about my avatar???? I am making a political statement.

NG....I liked your other avatar much better.

The natives around here knew how Elvis really grew up and they do tell.

Gossipers!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

what about when the church becomes the government or fights for changes in the government. what is that government supposed to look like?

Whose church? Church is church. Government is government.

One is a religion and the other is not. You're confused as to what "The church" is.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Whose church? Church is church. Government is government.

One is a religion and the other is not. You're confused as to what "The church" is.

the point i'm trying to make is, if the church should be concerned for the welfare of the poor and seek to change the structures of society that keep the poor oppressed, what kind of social change would you seek to implement?

it is hard to imagine the need for change in an affluent society but if you lived in a poor area or in africa or latin america where the context is different. i think you would have a different point of view.

examples of church programs like nursery, preschool, tutoring, drug rehab, voter registration, demonstrating for worker rights to unionize etc these are things the church should be doing to better the life of the kingdom and if the church should come to power it should advocate for those policies which most help the poor.

if you were in charge of a poor country, what policies would you advocate?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

the point i'm trying to make is, if the church should be concerned for the welfare of the poor and seek to change the structures of society that keep the poor oppressed, what kind of social change would you seek to implement?

it is hard to imagine the need for change in an affluent society but if you lived in a poor area or in africa or latin america where the context is different. i think you would have a different point of view.

examples of church programs like nursery, preschool, tutoring, drug rehab, voter registration, demonstrating for worker rights to unionize etc these are things the church should be doing to better the life of the kingdom and if the church should come to power it should advocate for those policies which most help the poor.

if you were in charge of a poor country, what policies would you advocate?

The church, or Christians, should help the poor, not engage in revolutions. The church should not be in charge of governments

The church changes through spiritual means not political activism. Vote your conscious but don't confuse what the church is

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The church, or Christians, should help the poor, not engage in revolutions. The church should not be in charge of governments

The church changes through spiritual means not political activism. Vote your conscious but don't confuse what the church is

the question is how do you define the salvation that christ brings. is it only spiritual salvation or both spiritual and physical. god liberated the children of israel from physical oppression. has god changed and is now only concerned with spiritual salvation? where in the bible says we should not advocate for social justice? there are plenty of examples in the prophets about the poor and oppressed.

Psalm 12:5
For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.

1 Samuel 2:8
He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.

Psalm 146:7
Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The LORD looseth the prisoners:

is this spiritual salvation only?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

the question is how do you define the salvation that christ brings.

No the issue was socialism. You confuse Politics and Religion

Salvation is about man being sinners and already condemned but being free from that condemnation and forgiven of sins by faith in Christ.

is it only spiritual salvation or both spiritual and physical.

See above.

god liberated the children of israel from physical oppression.

No. God separated them so they can go worship God. But again that has nothing to do with the issue of Politics

has god changed and is now only concerned with spiritual salvation?

What does that have to do with POLITICS and SOCIALISM and REVOLUTIONS and TAKING MONEY from People to give to others till we are all equally poor but a few powerful Elite?

where in the bible says we should not advocate for social justice?

Nobody said we should not advocate social justice. Did you not read what I said earlier?

there are plenty of examples in the prophets about the poor and oppressed.

Psalm 12:5
For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.

1 Samuel 2:8
He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.

Psalm 146:7
Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The LORD looseth the prisoners:

What does that have to do with my post?

is this spiritual salvation only?

See above