Trinity Diagnosis

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Actually it does you just choose to ignore it and hold to a duality. A polytheistic duality or worse a subordinate deity which is again polytheism or a type of Arianism.

Nope, no subordinate deity for me. God is God and Jesus isn't. It's very very simple, one God and His Son, Jesus the Christ, who isn't God. You don't have to make God some pretzel shaped, schizophrenic, multiple personality, non-scriptural deity/humanity hybrid with that view.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Nope, no subordinate deity for me. God is God and Jesus isn't. It's very very simple, one God and His Son, Jesus the Christ, who isn't God. You don't have to make God some pretzel shaped, schizophrenic, multiple personality, non-scriptural deity/humanity hybrid with that view.

Arianism is your flavor then...

or Adoptionism?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Arianism is your flavor then...

or Adoptionism?

Bibleism.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Bibleism.

Unless you believe Jesus is God manifest in flesh you do not believe in the Bible at all unless it is a New World Translation or Joseph Smiths version.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Unless you believe Jesus is God manifest in flesh you do not believe in the Bible at all unless it is a New World Translation or Joseph Smiths version.

I thought we were talking about the scriptural requirement that one must believe Jesus is God to be saved.

I find plenty in the bible which teaches that Jesus isn't God. Of course there are scriptures which folks use to prove that He was God. They're usually the same half-dozen or so.

John 1:1
Rev 1:8
Heb 1:8
John 20:28

There may be a couple more, but what is very rare is finding those who will discuss the subject openly, honestly and courteously when opposing scripture is presented. Almost always, it's a one sided 'discussion'.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I thought we were talking about the scriptural requirement that one must believe Jesus is God to be saved.

I find plenty in the bible which teaches that Jesus isn't God. Of course there are scriptures which folks use to prove that He was God. They're usually the same half-dozen or so.

John 1:1
Rev 1:8
Heb 1:8
John 20:28

There may be a couple more, but what is very rare is finding those who will discuss the subject openly, honestly and courteously when opposing scripture is presented. Almost always, it's a one sided 'discussion'.

His authority over nature declares His divinity.
His authority over disease declares His divinity.
His authority over the spirit world declares His divinity.
His authority over sin (by forgiving sin) declares His divinity.
His name is Emmanuel which means "The God with us."

So you do not believe in the divinity of Christ?
If not you do not believe in the Jesus of scripture.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Pliny

His authority over nature declares His divinity.
His authority over disease declares His divinity.

How? The Apostles had authority over sickness and disease.

His authority over the spirit world declares His divinity.

How? The Apostles had authority over the spirit world.

His authority over sin (by forgiving sin) declares His divinity.

How? The Apostles had authority over sin.

His name is Emmanuel which means "The God with us."

God was in Christ with us.

So you do not believe in the divinity of Christ?

Nope.

If not you do not believe in the Jesus of scripture.

Sure I do. I just don't believe in your understanding of the Jesus of scripture.