Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Jesus said that the believers would handle snakes.
Where is the insistence that we ALL handle snakes as part of passing through the birth canal of salvation?

Where is the insistence that we ALL drive out demons?

Where is the insistence that we ALL heal? Using Oneness logic, are we not "safe" until we lay our hands on someone who is sick and see that the Lord heals them?

But we insist that a person is not "safe" until the Lord confirms their new birth by speaking in tongues?

Doesn't anyone see the inconsistency in this?


In the New Testament, there is one person who plainly asks the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

Was the answer given incomplete?

According to many, yes Paul's recorded answer was incomplete and even inconsistent with the truth of God's Word. However, Paul's answer to the Phillipian jailer seems complete and consistent with all of the very plain scriptures related to salvation.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Jesus said that the believers would handle snakes.
Where is the insistence that we ALL handle snakes as part of passing through the birth canal of salvation?

Where is the insistence that we ALL drive out demons?

Where is the insistence that we ALL heal? Using Oneness logic, are we not "safe" until we lay our hands on someone who is sick and see that the Lord heals them?

But we insist that a person is not "safe" until the Lord confirms their new birth by speaking in tongues?

Doesn't anyone see the inconsistency in this?


In the New Testament, there is one person who plainly asks the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

Was the answer given incomplete?

According to many, yes Paul's recorded answer was incomplete and even inconsistent with the truth of God's Word. However, Paul's answer to the Phillipian jailer seems complete and consistent with all of the very plain scriptures related to salvation.

My friend again this is NO command for tongues because tongues is NOT the experience the Holy Ghost baptism is the experience and tongues is the initial evidence. It is understood.

[tv1a]

If tongues are the initial evidence, then you are looking for people to speak intongues.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

My friend again this is NO command for tongues because tongues is NOT the experience the Holy Ghost baptism is the experience and tongues is the initial evidence. It is understood.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Jesus said that the believers would handle snakes.
Where is the insistence that we ALL handle snakes as part of passing through the birth canal of salvation?

Where is the insistence that we ALL drive out demons?

Where is the insistence that we ALL heal? Using Oneness logic, are we not "safe" until we lay our hands on someone who is sick and see that the Lord heals them?

But we insist that a person is not "safe" until the Lord confirms their new birth by speaking in tongues?

Doesn't anyone see the inconsistency in this?


In the New Testament, there is one person who plainly asks the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

Was the answer given incomplete?

According to many, yes Paul's recorded answer was incomplete and even inconsistent with the truth of God's Word. However, Paul's answer to the Phillipian jailer seems complete and consistent with all of the very plain scriptures related to salvation.

Jesus was prophesying of the church age in Mark 16.17...All of which we see fulfilled in Acts & in the daily affairs of believers.


Acts 2.37 was the first NT question relative to salvation. If the question is the same from the lips of guilty sinners, so is the answer given from the lips of the man w/ the keys to heaven.


And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.


The Philippian Jailer was a pagan in need of the knowledge of Jesus Christ & Paul was merely telling him to turn from his false gods to the True God "and you shall be saved, you and your household." If taken at face value devoid of context like you are doing, then the "belief" of the Philippian jailer would "save" his entire household!?


Moreover, there was no command from Paul for the jailer to Repent. Using the criteria offered above, can we now say that a person does not have to Repent of their sins to be saved....Or "was the answer given incomplete?"


The next verse states that they spoke the word of the Lord to him, he demonstrated signs of repentance by washing their stripes, was baptized within the hour (which means they directed him to do so), & had an experience which caused him to "rejoice greatly." The Greek verb translated "Rejoice(d)" in vs. 34 derives from the GK. #21 (See Strong's) & defines as "Properly, to Jump for Joy"!


The way the first person got into the NT church is the way the last person will get into the NT church. The way the first person was baptized is the way the last person will be baptized....& the way the first person received the Holy Spirit is the way the last person will receive the Holy Spirit!


"By one Spirit we were all baptized into one body."




Honestly hoping & praying you make the biblical decision....God Bless!

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Jesus said that the believers would handle snakes.
Where is the insistence that we ALL handle snakes as part of passing through the birth canal of salvation?

Where is the insistence that we ALL drive out demons?

Where is the insistence that we ALL heal? Using Oneness logic, are we not "safe" until we lay our hands on someone who is sick and see that the Lord heals them?

But we insist that a person is not "safe" until the Lord confirms their new birth by speaking in tongues?

Doesn't anyone see the inconsistency in this?


In the New Testament, there is one person who plainly asks the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

Was the answer given incomplete?

According to many, yes Paul's recorded answer was incomplete and even inconsistent with the truth of God's Word. However, Paul's answer to the Phillipian jailer seems complete and consistent with all of the very plain scriptures related to salvation.

I thought you said this was settled so why are you still arguing bro. Just saying.

As for the whole "oneness logic" instance, you seem to understand "oneness logic" far differently then most educated oneness folks.

I won't go into detail because there's no point because the "matter is settled". I WILL say I've cast out devils, laid hands on the sick, and handled serpents. If you're not actively living God's word I'd question your faith. As many demons are running through our churches, if you haven't cast one out yet you're either scared or powerless.

[Dordrecht]

Silly Apostles Paul & Peter...Not to mention poor ol' legalist Moses...They surely should have known we can run around stark naked w/ hair like a woman's & all decked out in jewelry from head to toe!

Ok...now you are over reacting!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Ok...now you are over reacting!

Why? It's the identical logic libs use to denigrate Scriptural injunctions???

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by rdp

Why? It's the identical logic libs use to denigrate Scriptural injunctions???

That was just wishful thinking on your part.

[tv1a]

Francis Macnutt wrote in his book The Nearly Perfect Crime, How the Church Almost Killed the Healing Ministry, ,how people in the New Testament church were a person expected to heal the sick and cast out devils when they were baptized in the Spirit. Within 300 years healing was only done by select clergy and in some countries kings.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Jesus said that the believers would handle snakes.
Where is the insistence that we ALL handle snakes as part of passing through the birth canal of salvation?

Where is the insistence that we ALL drive out demons?

Where is the insistence that we ALL heal? Using Oneness logic, are we not "safe" until we lay our hands on someone who is sick and see that the Lord heals them?

But we insist that a person is not "safe" until the Lord confirms their new birth by speaking in tongues?

Doesn't anyone see the inconsistency in this?


In the New Testament, there is one person who plainly asks the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

Was the answer given incomplete?

According to many, yes Paul's recorded answer was incomplete and even inconsistent with the truth of God's Word. However, Paul's answer to the Phillipian jailer seems complete and consistent with all of the very plain scriptures related to salvation.