All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

1) You are ignoring the context. It's about the gifts of the Spirit not being saved.

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.
1Co 12:2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led.
1Co 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit.
1Co 12:4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
1Co 12:5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord;


2) You totally ignored the scriptures I posted

Of course I ignored the scriptures you posted, it was an immediate attempt to take the focus from the passage I posted. You erroneously suggested that the passage was speaking solely about the gifts of the Spirit.....it isn't. The 1Cor 12 passage is speaking of the working of the Spirit within, and on behalf of, individuals. One very clear working of the Spirit is to dwell within an individual allowing that individual to confess Jesus is Lord. Without Him, there will be no confession....per scripture

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Of course I ignored the scriptures you posted, it was an immediate attempt to take the focus from the passage I posted. You erroneously suggested that the passage was speaking solely about the gifts of the Spirit.....it isn't. The 1Cor 12 passage is speaking of the working of the Spirit within, and on behalf of, individuals. One very clear working of the Spirit is to dwell within an individual allowing that individual to confess Jesus is Lord. Without Him, there will be no confession....per scripture

ROFL...Seeker..I dealt with your verse. So it wa not taking focus off of it.

You didn't want to deal with those verses because they disprove your idea that God gives the Spirit to those that don't believe

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

ROFL...Seeker..I dealt with your verse. So it wa not taking focus off of it.

You didn't want to deal with those verses because they disprove your idea that God gives the Spirit to those that don't believe

You delt with nothing. Simply posting a short one liner alleging that the verse was speaking of the gifts of the Spirit isn't 'dealing' with it.

Once more....

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

How an anyone say that Jesus is Lord? Only by the Holy Spirit.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You delt with nothing. Simply posting a short one liner alleging that the verse was speaking of the gifts of the Spirit isn't 'dealing' with it.

Once more....

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

How an anyone say that Jesus is Lord? Only by the Holy Spirit.

But that does not say, as you claimed, that the Spirit enters a sinner to they can confess "Jesus is Lord". That is really a silly notion.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

But that does not say, as you claimed, that the Spirit enters a sinner to they can confess "Jesus is Lord". That is really a silly notion.

I'm saying that the scripture indicates that the Spirit is active within the person who confesses that Jesus is Lord. Without Him, they will not and cannot do that.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You delt with nothing. Simply posting a short one liner alleging that the verse was speaking of the gifts of the Spirit isn't 'dealing' with it.

Once more....

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

How an anyone say that Jesus is Lord? Only by the Holy Spirit.

I didn't merely post a short one liner. I backed it up by posting the context.

You've consistently avoided including the context AND ignoring all the verses, more than one, that shows belief is a prerequisite for receiving the Spirit

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul is teaching on the gifts. He says "I do not want you to be uninformed."

Paul demonstrates his intent in the first verse to INFORM them on the gifts. He then reminds them of their ignorance as pagans, serving mute idols. Idols that did not speak,

1Co 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit.

Paul continues "therefore". This word is a conjuction. Conjuctions tie in two related ideas. Essentially it means "because of what I just said. the following is true". "Therefore" means "for this reason" or "because of that"

It's called a Logical Inferential.
inferential — A coordinating conjunction that conveys a deduction, conclusion, summary, or inference to the preceding discussion. Examples include ἄρα, γάρ, and διότι).

Heiser, M. S. (2005). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology. Logos Bible Software.

The word "understand" is gnōrizō, which means "to make known"...what did Paul make known? What did Paul start out saying he did not want them to not be uninformed? The Spiritual gifts

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul then goes on to instruct more on the gifts and explain why and how it is one speaking by the Spirit of God CAN'T curse Christ but can only life Christ up as Lord....because the gifts are ordained by the Spirit of God not dumb idols

1Co 12:4 Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are different ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are different results, but the same God who produces all of them in everyone

Then you'll notice that many of the gifts have to do with speaking
Words of knowledge. Words of Wisdom. Tongues. Interpretation of tongues and Prophesy.

From chapter 12 to 14 Paul covers the gifts, particularly speaking gifts and our motivation for gifts being Love and the edifying of others. He was addressing the proper use of and the improper and selfish misuse of the gifts.

The topic was not becoming believers

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't merely post a short one liner. I backed it up by posting the context.

You've consistently avoided including the context AND ignoring all the verses, more than one, that shows belief is a prerequisite for receiving the Spirit

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul is teaching on the gifts. He says "I do not want you to be uninformed."

Paul demonstrates his intent in the first verse to INFORM them on the gifts. He then reminds them of their ignorance as pagans, serving mute idols. Idols that did not speak,

1Co 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit.

Paul continues "therefore". This word is a conjuction. Conjuctions tie in two related ideas. Essentially it means "because of what I just said. the following is true". "Therefore" means "for this reason" or "because of that"

It's called a Logical Inferential.
inferential — A coordinating conjunction that conveys a deduction, conclusion, summary, or inference to the preceding discussion. Examples include ἄρα, γάρ, and διότι).

Heiser, M. S. (2005). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology. Logos Bible Software.

The word "understand" is gnōrizō, which means "to make known"...what did Paul make known? What did Paul start out saying he did not want them to not be uninformed? The Spiritual gifts

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul then goes on to instruct more on the gifts and explain why and how it is one speaking by the Spirit of God CAN'T curse Christ but can only life Christ up as Lord....because the gifts are ordained by the Spirit of God not dumb idols

1Co 12:4 Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are different ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are different results, but the same God who produces all of them in everyone

Then you'll notice that many of the gifts have to do with speaking
Words of knowledge. Words of Wisdom. Tongues. Interpretation of tongues and Prophesy.

From chapter 12 to 14 Paul covers the gifts, particularly speaking gifts and our motivation for gifts being Love and the edifying of others. He was addressing the proper use of and the improper and selfish misuse of the gifts.

The topic was not becoming believers

Yep.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't merely post a short one liner. I backed it up by posting the context.

You've consistently avoided including the context AND ignoring all the verses, more than one, that shows belief is a prerequisite for receiving the Spirit

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul is teaching on the gifts. He says "I do not want you to be uninformed."

Paul demonstrates his intent in the first verse to INFORM them on the gifts. He then reminds them of their ignorance as pagans, serving mute idols. Idols that did not speak,

1Co 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit.

Paul continues "therefore". This word is a conjuction. Conjuctions tie in two related ideas. Essentially it means "because of what I just said. the following is true". "Therefore" means "for this reason" or "because of that"

It's called a Logical Inferential.
inferential — A coordinating conjunction that conveys a deduction, conclusion, summary, or inference to the preceding discussion. Examples include ἄρα, γάρ, and διότι).

Heiser, M. S. (2005). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology. Logos Bible Software.

The word "understand" is gnōrizō, which means "to make known"...what did Paul make known? What did Paul start out saying he did not want them to not be uninformed? The Spiritual gifts

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.

Paul then goes on to instruct more on the gifts and explain why and how it is one speaking by the Spirit of God CAN'T curse Christ but can only life Christ up as Lord....because the gifts are ordained by the Spirit of God not dumb idols

1Co 12:4 Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are different ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are different results, but the same God who produces all of them in everyone

Then you'll notice that many of the gifts have to do with speaking
Words of knowledge. Words of Wisdom. Tongues. Interpretation of tongues and Prophesy.

From chapter 12 to 14 Paul covers the gifts, particularly speaking gifts and our motivation for gifts being Love and the edifying of others. He was addressing the proper use of and the improper and selfish misuse of the gifts.

The topic was not becoming believers

No matter how many times you answer him he will keep saying "your skirting the answer" or "your avoiding" or even with all the scriptures you gave him he will just ignore them and continue to say you won't answer his questions.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

No matter how many times you answer him he will keep saying "your skirting the answer" or "your avoiding" or even with all the scriptures you gave him he will just ignore them and continue to say you won't answer his questions.

Yup :-)

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

No matter how many times you answer him he will keep saying "your skirting the answer" or "your avoiding" or even with all the scriptures you gave him he will just ignore them and continue to say you won't answer his questions.

Well, that's certainly a deep and insightful post concerning the passages in question. Or not.