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Old 01-10-2013, 12:59 AM
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Re: Is God in control?

I understand why you say this,
but I think it is bc of what...we choose
to ignore, and what we choose to define;
as I had hoped my little dog story might illuminate.

So, I agree that
"we cant tell if something that happens is bad or good-"
-what would it matter if we could? It has happened;
any label we place upon it now--"bad,""good," ("ordained")
is sure to be true-or not. See the Tao story "How do you know?"

While I must disagree that-
well, I disagree to the part II thing,
which this window will not provide below-
-for the same reason; it illuminates what one
might choose to ignore or not...

You dont need me to tell you that
the same action, carried out by the same person,
can at different times be heinous, or a blessing, surely?
Is that right? Or wrong? How do you know?

Your heart works fine! Trust it; with your life!
(your life depends upon it, btw--it is going to be your evidence)

Oh, and ps, expect that acting in this manner will
prolly be...'the death of you.'
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:44 AM
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Re: Is God in control?

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 View Post
I understand why you say this,
but I think it is bc of what...we choose
to ignore, and what we choose to define;
as I had hoped my little dog story might illuminate.

So, I agree that
"we cant tell if something that happens is bad or good-"
-what would it matter if we could? It has happened;
any label we place upon it now--"bad,""good," ("ordained")
is sure to be true-or not. See the Tao story "How do you know?"
I was kidding.

Of course we can tell when something is good or bad. It's not always an objective thing (maybe never is), but we form an opinion on each event. The same event may be labeled good by some and bad by others. That's how opinions work. Some events get nearly unanimous labelings.

Now, to me, it doesn't help much (a little, maybe, in some cases) to say "all things work together for good". And the more unanimous a "tragedy" pronouncement is, the less it helps. How can the death of a toddler bring about good? Oh, sure, maybe somebody learns from it (maybe drives more carefully from then on --- at least for a while!), or any number of things may happen in a chain of events we don't even recognize (butterfly effect), but still: what's the point? Why not just console the grieving (without offering opinions on where the toddler's soul is now, since you don't know -- nobody does)? And opinions on God's plan, or God being in control can only make things worse. IMO.

Why not think of it as a tragedy, and leave it at that?
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While I must disagree that-
well, I disagree to the part II thing,
which this window will not provide below-
-for the same reason;
That we can't tell right from wrong? I was kidding again. You have said essentially that before, though. Glad you've changed your mind.
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it illuminates what one
might choose to ignore or not...

You dont need me to tell you that
the same action, carried out by the same person,
can at different times be heinous, or a blessing, surely?
Is that right? Or wrong? How do you know?

Your heart works fine! Trust it; with your life!
(your life depends upon it, btw--it is going to be your evidence)

Oh, and ps, expect that acting in this manner will
prolly be...'the death of you.'
Huh? Acting in what manner? Thinking that we can't tell right from wrong? Well, yes, if I were serious, it could be fatal. I suppose. And I don't need a book to tell me what's right and wrong, btw. Nobody does, really. Some think they do, but when they do, they pick and choose. Thank goodness!
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