Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surprised

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Ron

You guys are unbeleivable & rich, the amount ignorance is high if not off the chart!
One, I only belong to one Ministers forum & I haven't posted there but once or twice in the last year & nothing whatsoever to do with this situation or forum.
Ask one of the Ministers that belong to that forum & they can verify tha6t it is true, that makes whoever stated that, an out & out liar!
As the thread title states though, I am not surprised!

Prax, is one, trying to supercede the process of inv4estigation & calling for the ropes & tree (hence my lynching analogy which is bang on) & the Minister in question is already guilty! Hands down.

I wash my hands of this, you guys can go play with fire--just down get burned.
BTW, a lot of Bible characters may have been right but were either wrong in their application, or it wasn't their place!

Can't you just feel the love from our friend Ron! If he lived out in his posts the principles he claims to have I don't think he would be calling people names on here as he has resorted to I am noticing as I catch up today.

If I didn't know he was above such fallibility I would think some of you posters have been getting to him. As borne out by his name calling. Again kind of below the high bar he set out for everybody at the beginning of his thread.

I also am starting to think we need to start a pool to predict which "I am done" type remark will actually be his last word on this subject.

In the meantime I will just continue to be bemused as well as amused. Personally I am waiting for some more "God kills the saints" stories like the one he told about some woman talking about a preacher then God killed her, her husband, and their infant child because of it. Shame she wasn't here to defend herself. Also funny how I can't think of a single time God has taken out one of these duplicitous preachers who has been living in sexual sin while standing behind a pulpit preaching. I guess God only kills the saints in these situations. Must be some doctrinal point I missed when I earned my Theology degree.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by CC1

Can't you just feel the love from our friend Ron! If he lived out in his posts the principles he claims to have I don't think he would be calling people names on here as he has resorted to I am noticing as I catch up today.

If I didn't know he was above such fallibility I would think some of you posters have been getting to him. As borne out by his name calling. Again kind of below the high bar he set out for everybody at the beginning of his thread.

I also am starting to think we need to start a pool to predict which "I am done" type remark will actually be his last word on this subject.

In the meantime I will just continue to be bemused as well as amused. Personally I am waiting for some more "God kills the saints" stories like the one he told about some woman talking about a preacher then God killed her, her husband, and their infant child because of it. Shame she wasn't here to defend herself. Also funny how I can't think of a single time God has taken out one of these duplicitous preachers who has been living in sexual sin while standing behind a pulpit preaching. I guess God only kills the saints in these situations. Must be some doctrinal point I missed when I earned my Theology degree.

Been Thinkin

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by CC1

Can't you just feel the love from our friend Ron! If he lived out in his posts the principles he claims to have I don't think he would be calling people names on here as he has resorted to I am noticing as I catch up today.

If I didn't know he was above such fallibility I would think some of you posters have been getting to him. As borne out by his name calling. Again kind of below the high bar he set out for everybody at the beginning of his thread.

I also am starting to think we need to start a pool to predict which "I am done" type remark will actually be his last word on this subject.

In the meantime I will just continue to be bemused as well as amused. Personally I am waiting for some more "God kills the saints" stories like the one he told about some woman talking about a preacher then God killed her, her husband, and their infant child because of it. Shame she wasn't here to defend herself. Also funny how I can't think of a single time God has taken out one of these duplicitous preachers who has been living in sexual sin while standing behind a pulpit preaching. I guess God only kills the saints in these situations. Must be some doctrinal point I missed when I earned my Theology degree.

My old pastor had a ton of "This saint spoke against the 'man of gawddd!' and died!" stories, which he used quite effectivly against about 80% of the congregation. I should probably start referring to them as the "low information saints".

[CC1]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

My old pastor had a ton of "This saint spoke against the 'man of gawddd!' and died!" stories, which he used quite effectivly against about 80% of the congregation. I should probably start referring to them as the "low information saints".

When I was young those stories were a staple in old time Pentecost at altar time. We certainly scared more people to Jesus than we loved them to Him.

It also showed in our numbers sadly. Those scary stories and series of sermons on Revelation would bring them in but not keep them.

[not4saken]

I knew my daddy's 'altar stories' by heart. I should have- I heard them repeatedly for the first 14 years of my life. I guess they served a purpose- the altar would be FULL of much weeping and gnashing of teeth, sad thing is- it was mostly small, easily scared children. I was baptized at 6, and cannot, to this day remember it. It hurts my heart. Did I learn from MY experience tho? Of course not! I was the atypical Apostolic- my children were all baptized before age of 6 and all had the HG by age 8. I feel that I was done a grave disservice by all the scare tactics preacher's used in my generation. It accomplished what THEY wanted- a full altar, and high #s to talk about the next time the 'good ol boys' club got together and bragged about their many exploits. I have even heard Pastors talkin about saints like they were on the auction block. "Ahhh, now Doc- if u take the 'So and So family' off my hands, I will pay tithes to YOU..." Or.."You sure you wont take the 'So and So's' off my hands, doc? I will give'em the gas money to drive across town!" HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR.... Even the memory makes me want'a puke. Wonder how it makes God feel, to hear MEN talkin about sumthin so precious to HIS HEART that He gave His life for it?

Do I sound bitter? Guess so... Sorry.

[AreYouReady?]

Double post.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by not4saken

I knew my daddy's 'altar stories' by heart. I should have- I heard them repeatedly for the first 14 years of my life. I guess they served a purpose- the altar would be FULL of much weeping and gnashing of teeth, sad thing is- it was mostly small, easily scared children. I was baptized at 6, and cannot, to this day remember it. It hurts my heart. Did I learn from MY experience tho? Of course not! I was the atypical Apostolic- my children were all baptized before age of 6 and all had the HG by age 8. I feel that I was done a grave disservice by all the scare tactics preacher's used in my generation. It accomplished what THEY wanted- a full altar, and high #s to talk about the next time the 'good ol boys' club got together and bragged about their many exploits. I have even heard Pastors talkin about saints like they were on the auction block. "Ahhh, now Doc- if u take the 'So and So family' off my hands, I will pay tithes to YOU..." Or.."You sure you wont take the 'So and So's' off my hands, doc? I will give'em the gas money to drive across town!" HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR.... Even the memory makes me want'a puke. Wonder how it makes God feel, to hear MEN talkin about sumthin so precious to HIS HEART that He gave His life for it?

Do I sound bitter? Guess so... Sorry.

No....I am glad you wrote this. It validates the very thing I have been ranting about myself. I've heard it preach over the pulpit that parents should not talk about their pastor or the local church in general in front of their children. Yet, I know they do this very thing themselves! It is a lack of respect towards another human being all the way around--ministry and saint alike.

We seem to forget that our brother and sister elsewhere are struggling like we do. Some have more struggles...some less. We are not taught how to ease each other's sufferings.

I also have to learn to believe that there are good men of God out there...somewhere. And by men of God, I am talking about minister and saint alike because if God has given a person the Holy Ghost, then each person is a minister in some way that God called us to be.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by not4saken

I knew my daddy's 'altar stories' by heart. I should have- I heard them repeatedly for the first 14 years of my life. I guess they served a purpose- the altar would be FULL of much weeping and gnashing of teeth, sad thing is- it was mostly small, easily scared children. I was baptized at 6, and cannot, to this day remember it. It hurts my heart. Did I learn from MY experience tho? Of course not! I was the atypical Apostolic- my children were all baptized before age of 6 and all had the HG by age 8. I feel that I was done a grave disservice by all the scare tactics preacher's used in my generation. It accomplished what THEY wanted- a full altar, and high #s to talk about the next time the 'good ol boys' club got together and bragged about their many exploits. I have even heard Pastors talkin about saints like they were on the auction block. "Ahhh, now Doc- if u take the 'So and So family' off my hands, I will pay tithes to YOU..." Or.."You sure you wont take the 'So and So's' off my hands, doc? I will give'em the gas money to drive across town!" HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR.... Even the memory makes me want'a puke. Wonder how it makes God feel, to hear MEN talkin about sumthin so precious to HIS HEART that He gave His life for it?

Do I sound bitter? Guess so... Sorry.

When I was about 8 and had been baptized and was praying to be baptized with the Holy Ghost there were times I went to the altar (I knew I was expected to) and just didn't have much emotion about it that night so I would imagine my dad dying and that would bring tears to my eyes. That kind of haunted me a few years later when my father died when I was a teenager.

Our church goes through books of the bible one at a time (earlier this year we spent six months on Genesis!) and last Sunday we started Revelation. We generally cover one chapter each Sunday with the preacher reading every verse and preaching from the word. My wife went to our pastor and told him she is looking forward to going through Revelation now since she dreaded it so much when she was young in an old time Pentecostal church. There it was a time of fear and scare tactics

Back in the late '70's Richard Heard (who ironically enough left the UPC and has been a totally different type preacher the last 20+ years ) was one of the main guys who could pull them in by the bus loads giving six week long revivals on Revelation that would bring an influx of converts who left as soon as the fear did. I remember some pregnant women in the church really having to battle depression after six weeks of doom and gloom because they felt so horrible about bringing a child into the world in the middle of it.

[not4saken]

Originally Posted by CC1

When I was about 8 and had been baptized and was praying to be baptized with the Holy Ghost there were times I went to the altar (I knew I was expected to) and just didn't have much emotion about it that night so I would imagine my dad dying and that would bring tears to my eyes. That kind of haunted me a few years later when my father died when I was a teenager.

Our church goes through books of the bible one at a time (earlier this year we spent six months on Genesis!) and last Sunday we started Revelation. We generally cover one chapter each Sunday with the preacher reading every verse and preaching from the word. My wife went to our pastor and told him she is looking forward to going through Revelation now since she dreaded it so much when she was young in an old time Pentecostal church. There it was a time of fear and scare tactics

Back in the late '70's Richard Heard (who ironically enough left the UPC and has been a totally different type preacher the last 20+ years ) was one of the main guys who could pull them in by the bus loads giving six week long revivals on Revelation that would bring an influx of converts who left as soon as the fear did. I remember some pregnant women in the church really having to battle depression after six weeks of doom and gloom because they felt so horrible about bringing a child into the world in the middle of it.

I remember RHeard very well. I asked my dad once, why preachers used scare tactics to get folks in the altar. His response? "Hell is a horrible place, that should be avoided at all costs. I will use whatever means I have, to get people in the altar and to get them thinking about their eternity. Folks come to God for all sorts of reasons- eventually, they will serve Him because they LOVE Him..."

[OnenessChild]

Originally Posted by CC1

Can't you just feel the love from our friend Ron! If he lived out in his posts the principles he claims to have I don't think he would be calling people names on here as he has resorted to I am noticing as I catch up today.

If I didn't know he was above such fallibility I would think some of you posters have been getting to him. As borne out by his name calling. Again kind of below the high bar he set out for everybody at the beginning of his thread.

I also am starting to think we need to start a pool to predict which "I am done" type remark will actually be his last word on this subject.

In the meantime I will just continue to be bemused as well as amused. Personally I am waiting for some more "God kills the saints" stories like the one he told about some woman talking about a preacher then God killed her, her husband, and their infant child because of it. Shame she wasn't here to defend herself. Also funny how I can't think of a single time God has taken out one of these duplicitous preachers who has been living in sexual sin while standing behind a pulpit preaching. I guess God only kills the saints in these situations. Must be some doctrinal point I missed when I earned my Theology degree.

His "love" is over flowing...so deep I need some wadders for all his "posts"