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Old 01-28-2013, 12:21 PM
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God isn't "helping us" to stop sinning. "Us" is the problem. God DOESN'T want to make YOU a better you. YOU must be CRUCIFIED. Your identity eradicated through faith, reckoning your new identity as being "IN CHRIST". Any improvement to "self" is "self-righteousness".

The questions you present are answered on the basis of soteriological understanding. It all depends on how one views justification, regeneration, and sanctification.

And here's another issue... people are so behavior oriented (works mentality) that they fail to grasp "nature". You see... even IF we disciplined ourselves to "behave" rightly and didn't "commit sin"... our very nature (with regards to our flesh) is still "sinful" and repugnant to God.
Yup, you got it Pontiac! The Apostle Paul stated he was the chiefest of sinners & he was one together dude.
God does not like our flesh & that is the reason our flesh ain't going to heaven!
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:25 PM
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Yup, you got it Pontiac! The Apostle Paul stated he was the chiefest of sinners & he was one together dude.
God does not like our flesh & that is the reason our flesh ain't going to heaven!
Paul was not talking about his life as a christian. sheesh If he doesn't like our free will... well he made it and gave it to us. I guess he creates junk and we are not created right as the scripture says.

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Old 01-28-2013, 12:30 PM
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Paul was not talking about his life as a christian. sheesh If he doesn't like our free will... well made it and gave it to us. I guess he creates junk and we are not created right as the scripture says.
That is being pretty general in your statement, don't you think?
Aquila is presenting it quite well.
We have a sin nature & yes we can live above it with the help of God.
We are going onto perfection--not there yet.
My role is to continually be renewed by prayer, by God's word, by his spirit.
When I have done all I can & know to do--I reside in Christ & am only perfect
because of his perfection.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:37 PM
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That is being pretty general in your statement, don't you think?
Aquila is presenting it quite well.
We have a sin nature & yes we can live above it with the help of God.
We are going onto perfection--not there yet.
My role is to continually be renewed by prayer, by God's word, by his spirit.
When I have done all I can & know to do--I reside in Christ & am only perfect
because of his perfection.


There is joy in the journey.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:39 PM
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That is being pretty general in your statement, don't you think?
Aquila is presenting it quite well.
We have a sin nature & yes we can live above it with the help of God.
God did not impute us with a sin nature.

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We are going onto perfection--not there yet.
My role is to continually be renewed by prayer, by God's word, by his spirit.
When I have done all I can & know to do--I reside in Christ & am only perfect
because of his perfection.
Depends on what you mean. If you are talking about a forensic imputation of righteousness to be delcared perfect.... no. Also no you are cleansed by the blood of Christ because you are walking in the light as he is in the light. Unless you are walking and doing as he did the Father per John 15 you are not his friend and lacking faith to be a doer and not just a hearer.
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God did not impute us with a sin nature.



Depends on what you mean. If you are talking about a forensic imputation of righteousness to be delcared perfect.... no. Also no you are cleansed by the blood of Christ because you are walking in the light as he is in the light. Unless you are walking and doing as he did the Father per John 15 you are not his friend and lacking faith to be a doer and not just a hearer.
Must one be "sinless" prior to receiving the Holy Ghost??? Yes or no?
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Must one be "sinless" prior to receiving the Holy Ghost??? Yes or no?
"sinless"? they must be right of heart which is a current state of sinless. Yes. Not having past sins? no! Who ever said that?
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"sinless"? they must be right of heart which is a current state of sinless. Yes. Not having past sins? no! Who ever said that?
I'll take that answer...

How does one attain that "current state of sinlessness"?

Is it a sinlessness that originates from self... or Christ's own sinlessness?
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