Do you think it's fair, how it's set up? The penalty for having any sin is death and torment? Do we deserve to be punished for something isn't our fault -- that it is impossible to be perfect? And the way to avoid our punishment is subject to debate, and we have to guess which way is right?
Could it have been set up to be more fair?
Where is it written that you are entitled for anything to be fair? Or do you mean just?
If I were looking for it to have been fair or even just, God would have killed Adam and Eve after the first mistake, and none of us would have even had the chance to exist. I'm thankful that since the Garden God has shown limitless mercy toward mankind in His pursuit to restore all things... as only He could.
Sin is part of the human experience brother. It was introduced in the actions of Adam and Eve. And the Scriptures tell us that life is in the blood. When mankind procreates, the mother and the father blood types determine the blood type of the child. They pass on that sin curse through the blood. We are guilty through the blood.... and in the end, justified through the blood.
I by no means want it to be fair, don't have a right to it being fair, and am not concerned about if it is fair. There is a level of knowledge and wisdom that God has of to the why's of how this whole thing is set up, that is absolutely the best for man.... there could be no other way that would be better, or God would have provided it for us. I rest in knowing that He's God, and He worked it out the best way for us.
Where is it written that you are entitled for anything to be fair?
Didn't say it was. Was asking what you thought. Is it fair? Seem like you don't think it is, and that it doesn't need to be fair.
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Or do you mean just?
Whether it is just is another question, though not very different. So, sure, let's talk about justice. Is it just to convict us all of being imperfect, when we can't not be imperfect? And sentence us to death and torment for that guilty verdict?
Note: I am talking only, for this question, about our sin and the verdict, without addressing the "good news" about how to avoid the punishment. Simple asking: is the punishment just? After all, there will be many billions who will receive it. (So they say.)
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If I were looking for it to have been fair or even just, God would have killed Adam and Eve after the first mistake, and none of us would have even had the chance to exist.
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I'm thankful that since the Garden God has shown limitless mercy toward mankind in His pursuit to restore all things... as only He could.
Sin is part of the human experience brother. It was introduced in the actions of Adam and Eve. And the Scriptures tell us that life is in the blood. When mankind procreates, the mother and the father blood types determine the blood type of the child. They pass on that sin curse through the blood. We are guilty through the blood.... and in the end, justified through the blood.
I by no means want it to be fair, don't have a right to it being fair, and am not concerned about if it is fair. There is a level of knowledge and wisdom that God has of to the why's of how this whole thing is set up, that is absolutely the best for man.... there could be no other way that would be better, or God would have provided it for us. I rest in knowing that He's God, and He worked it out the best way for us.
Thanks for posting your thoughts.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Is there some reason God had to set things up the way he (according to you guys) did? Could he have done anything differently? Do you sometimes wish he had?
Do you think it's fair, how it's set up? The penalty for having any sin is death and torment? Do we deserve to be punished for something isn't our fault -- that it is impossible to be perfect? And the way to avoid our punishment is subject to debate, and we have to guess which way is right?
Could it have been set up to be more fair?
I'm not sure that the penalty for sin and death is "fair". I feel that if it was "fair" Christ would not have died for our sins. I don't like that people go to Hell, I don't think it's a good thing. However, the scripture makes it clear what it takes to get to Heaven. Believe me I've been asking the same questions lately of God, haven't got the answers yet, but I don't know everything and won't. There was a man raptured into the third heaven during Pauls day in a vision. He probably still didn't know the answer to this question.
I don't tell my secrets to strangers Timmy. Maybe there's some things God requires a level of commitment in order for him to reveal to you. If so maybe you haven't reached that level. I know I haven't.
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I'm not sure that the penalty for sin and death is "fair". I feel that if it was "fair" Christ would not have died for our sins. I don't like that people go to Hell, I don't think it's a good thing. However, the scripture makes it clear what it takes to get to Heaven.
Most of us will never hear about that. Most who hear it won't believe it. Most who believe it may not be able to obey the instructions. (If they guess the right interpretation of the instructions!)
Fair?
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Believe me I've been asking the same questions lately of God, haven't got the answers yet, but I don't know everything and won't. There was a man raptured into the third heaven during Pauls day in a vision. He probably still didn't know the answer to this question.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I don't tell my secrets to strangers Timmy. Maybe there's some things God requires a level of commitment in order for him to reveal to you. If so maybe you haven't reach that level. I know I haven't.
Oh, I'm sure you're right: I haven't earned the right.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Most of us will never hear about that. Most who hear it won't believe it. Most who believe it may not be able to obey the instructions. (If they guess the right interpretation of the instructions!)
Fair?
He's a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. That's all I know.
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