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01-31-2013, 03:04 PM
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Re: Cutting Back On 'Church' Services
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Change churches? Change your church? Start a new church that is doing it right?
That the vast majority have not won a soul does not really affect my point of why we assemble and what we do at "church".
Some are harvesters (Jesus specifically said to pray for them). Some are teachers. Some are encouragers. We have different gifts
1Co 14:26 Then how is it, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be for building up.
Rom 12:4 For even as we have many members in one body, and all members do not have the same function,
Rom 12:5 so we the many are one body in Christ, and each one members of one another.
Rom 12:6 Then having gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, if prophecy, according to the proportion of faith;
Rom 12:7 or ministry, in the ministry; or he who teaches, in the teaching;
Rom 12:8 or he who exhorts, in the encouragement; or he who shares, in simplicity; or he who takes the lead, in diligence; or he who shows mercy, in cheerfulness.
Rom 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy, shrinking from evil, cleaving to good;
Rom 12:10 in brotherly love to one another, loving fervently, having led one another in honor.
Rom 12:11 As to diligence, not slothful, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord;
Rom 12:12 rejoicing in hope, patient in affliction, steadfastly continuing in prayer,
Rom 12:13 distributing to the needs of the saints, pursuing hospitality.
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Are you saying that winning souls is a gift, and not every Christian is charged to do it?
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01-31-2013, 03:09 PM
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Re: Cutting Back On 'Church' Services
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Are you saying that winning souls is a gift, and not every Christian is charged to do it?
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Im saying some are a lot better at it than others. Take for example someone that is shy and not well equipped to go up to a stranger and witness to them.
They might be witnesses in other ways to their family and co workers by their example and by dropping "seed" here and there and yet never get credited with "being a soul winner", despite them daily praying for souls and those that are missionaries.
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.
1Co 3:7 So then neither is he who plants anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
1Co 3:8 So he planting, and he watering, are one, and each one shall receive his own reward according to his own labor.
1Co 3:9 For of God we are fellow-workers, a field of God, and you are a building of God.
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given to me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let every man be careful how he builds on it.
1Co 3:11 For any other foundation can no one lay than the one being laid, who is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 And if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble,
1Co 3:13 each one's work shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each one's work as to what kind it is.
1Co 3:14 If anyone's work which he built remains, he shall receive a reward.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-31-2013, 03:12 PM
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Re: Cutting Back On 'Church' Services
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Im saying some are a lot better at it than others. Take for example someone that is shy and not well equipped to go up to a stranger and witness to them.
They might be witnesses in other ways to their family and co workers by their example and by dropping "seed" here and there and yet never get credited with "being a soul winner", despite them daily praying for souls and those that are missionaries.
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.
1Co 3:7 So then neither is he who plants anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
1Co 3:8 So he planting, and he watering, are one, and each one shall receive his own reward according to his own labor.
1Co 3:9 For of God we are fellow-workers, a field of God, and you are a building of God.
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given to me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let every man be careful how he builds on it.
1Co 3:11 For any other foundation can no one lay than the one being laid, who is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 And if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble,
1Co 3:13 each one's work shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each one's work as to what kind it is.
1Co 3:14 If anyone's work which he built remains, he shall receive a reward.
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Fair enough, and as long as each Christian is living their witness to the world, then they are fulfilling the Great Commission.
I have no problem with church, and don't even have a problem with church being a social experience. It should be a place of fellowship, reinforcement, encouragement, healing, teaching, and all of those other things that the Bible mentions. My issue once again is with Christians who think that as long as they go to church, that's all there is to it.
On this point, I'm sure we will have to agree to disagree.
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01-31-2013, 03:16 PM
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Re: Cutting Back On 'Church' Services
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Fair enough, and as long as each Christian is living their witness to the world, then they are fulfilling the Great Commission.
I have no problem with church, and don't even have a problem with church being a social experience. It should be a place of fellowship, reinforcement, encouragement, healing, teaching, and all of those other things that the Bible mentions. My issue once again is with Christians who think that as long as they go to church, that's all there is to it.
On this point, I'm sure we will have to agree to disagree.
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Christians should not think "that's all there is to it", but then again where else are they going to learn that it should NOT be "all there is to it"? It should be at a church meeting or bible study..
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-31-2013, 03:19 PM
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Re: Cutting Back On 'Church' Services
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Christians should not think "that's all there is to it", but then again where else are they going to learn that it should NOT be "all there is to it"? It should be at a church meeting or bible study..
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True.....but, how many times over the course of the years should they have to keep learning the same lesson?
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"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
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01-31-2013, 03:45 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Cutting Back On 'Church' Services
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
True.....but, how many times over the course of the years should they have to keep learning the same lesson?
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Should we focus on how weak that member is or provide a place and atmosphere of healing and growth?
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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