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02-02-2013, 06:24 AM
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Re: What is up with the different spellings of Jes
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Where does the idea they have to be pronounced the same come from? The concept is called "transliteration". The reason its not perfect is different languages many times dont contain the same sounds. So the intention is perfectly logical and innocent. Its just it cannot happen.
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I'm not sure where the idea came from, but in my study of languages one thing that was stressed is that names do not translate. Now, it may be that people in another land don't have the ability to speak certain sounds and a name may be pronounced slightly different due to accent/dialect, but every effort is made to preserve the pronunciation of names.
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02-02-2013, 06:43 AM
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Re: What is up with the different spellings of Jes
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I'm not sure where the idea came from, but in my study of languages one thing that was stressed is that names do not translate. Now, it may be that people in another land don't have the ability to speak certain sounds and a name may be pronounced slightly different due to accent/dialect, but every effort is made to preserve the pronunciation of names.
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Yes if a language has the Hebrew sounds it is preferable to use them. English does. Thats why I use "Yeshua".
Are you saying he was called Jesus while he was here?
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02-03-2013, 02:34 PM
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Re: What is up with the different spellings of Jes
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Yes if a language has the Hebrew sounds it is preferable to use them. English does. Thats why I use "Yeshua".
Are you saying he was called Jesus while he was here?
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I'm saying he was called something that sounded similarly to Jesus, yes.
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02-04-2013, 03:26 PM
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Re: What is up with the different spellings of Jes
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I'm saying he was called something that sounded similarly to Jesus, yes.
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Yeshua Hebrew
Iesous Greek
Iesus Latin
Jesus English
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02-04-2013, 04:34 PM
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Re: What is up with the different spellings of Jes
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Yeshua Hebrew
Iesous Greek
Iesus Latin
Jesus English
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I might add that the "s" at the end of Iesous is added by Greek grammer rules. The name in Greek would be Iesou pronounced as Yay soo.
I have read that when Tyndale translated his original English from Greek version he dropped the "s" as did the next several early English versions.
They were using Yesu pronounced as Yay soo.
The name Jesus was not known in those days.
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02-02-2013, 02:29 PM
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Re: What is up with the different spellings of Jes
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I'm not sure where the idea came from, but in my study of languages one thing that was stressed is that names do not translate. Now, it may be that people in another land don't have the ability to speak certain sounds and a name may be pronounced slightly different due to accent/dialect, but every effort is made to preserve the pronunciation of names.
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Of course names translate. Where did you read that?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-03-2013, 02:36 PM
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Re: What is up with the different spellings of Jes
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Of course names translate. Where did you read that?
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Proper names do NOT translate. You can read that in a blue million places. John is John wether in the US, Italy, Ukraine, etc.
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02-04-2013, 12:19 PM
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Re: What is up with the different spellings of Jes
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Proper names do NOT translate. You can read that in a blue million places. John is John wether in the US, Italy, Ukraine, etc.
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Michael, Miguel, Michelle,Mikhail, etc.
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02-04-2013, 12:26 PM
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Re: What is up with the different spellings of Jes
Hey, why are you worried about the different spellings of Jesus. Very little else on AFF is speelled right!!! For instance.... how many folks have misspelled "altar" by spelling it "alter?"  Yes! I am aware we are talking about different things. I'm not that stupid!  
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02-04-2013, 03:21 PM
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Re: What is up with the different spellings of Jes
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Proper names do NOT translate. You can read that in a blue million places. John is John wether in the US, Italy, Ukraine, etc.
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Then give us a scholarly blue million quote
BTW
John English
Juan Spanish
Yohan Hebrew
Jevan Welsh
Giovanni Italian
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_(given_name)
You don't know what you are talking about
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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