Where Are The Real Apostolics?

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

But it's a command in the bible.....just as all the other "Apostolic" verses are...Aren't we compromisers if we pick and choose what to obey?

It's a command, and we do it in our church, but you also have to use wisdom and judgement. If some new comer just came into the church, and didn't know that that is how we greet each other, you don't just go up to them and kiss them, you might end up running them away. The same as the brothers aren't to just kiss the sisters and vice versa. Also not everyone may be exactly comfortable with it. If they are comfortable with it, you may greet them with a holy kiss, if not, you don't force them.

Another scripture comes to mind, about not letting things that you have liberty to do, become a stumbling block to a saint...1Cor 8:9

[houston]

Originally Posted by MarieA27

Another scripture comes to mind, about not letting things that you have liberty to do, become a stumbling block to a saint...1Cor 8:9

No way around a commad.

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by houston

No way around a commad.

Not placing a stumbling in the way of a saint is also a command...

[houston]

Originally Posted by MarieA27

Not being a stumbling block to a saint is also a command...

Commands are not stumbling blocks. NEXT»

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by houston

Commands are not stumbling blocks. NEXT»

Question, Paul says to drink no more water, but a little wine for your infirmities. If a new believer comes into the faith, and thinks that it's absolutely wrong to drink wine, and that it's a sin, (remember this person is innocent and honest) do you still go ahead and say "aw there's nothing wrong with it," and offend the saint by drinking the wine in front of them anyway, and end up causing the saint to look down upon you and the faith, and end up turning away due to your careless actions, or do you refrain from drinking it, until the person comes to understanding?

This is the problem with people in religion today; No judgment, no understanding, no wisdom. Hardly anyone knows how or is willing to suffer and sacrifice their wants and desires, to help save and win anyone's souls to Christ. You either have them too strict, and push people away by being too judgmental, without truly listening (or seeming to care for that matter,) what the person is dealing with, or going through. Or you have them too loose, and say you can do whatever you're comfortable with, God doesn't care, just say that you "believe" and that you're a christian, and your saved...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MarieA27

It's a command, and we do it in our church, but you also have to use wisdom and judgement. If some new comer just came into the church, and didn't know that that is how we greet each other, you don't just go up to them and kiss them, you might end up running them away. The same as the brothers aren't to just kiss the sisters and vice versa. Also not everyone may be exactly comfortable with it. If they are comfortable with it, you may greet them with a holy kiss, if not, you don't force them.

Another scripture comes to mind, about not letting things that you have liberty to do, become a stumbling block to a saint...1Cor 8:9

What church do you go to?

So if someone is not comfortable with a certain verse they can disobey it?

[Praxeas]

The fact is many conservatives don't do the kissing thing all the while talking about how others compromise His word and not obey it. They have their excuses and reasons for why they don't have to kiss each other or drink wine instead of water.

The fact is, when you learn to study the bible you learn a principle called Hermeneutics. In Hermeneutics you must consider several factors like context, who wrote it and to whom, when, where, the grammar and types of speech.

When you realize that kissing was a customary way to greet someone

Mat 26:48 And he who betrayed Him gave them a sign, saying, Whomever I shall kiss, He is the one, lay hold on Him.
Mat 26:49 And coming up to Jesus immediately, he said, Hail, Master! And he kissed Him.


Luk 7:44 And He turned to the woman and said to Simon, Do you see this woman? I entered into your house, yet you gave Me no water for My feet. But she has washed My feet with tears, and has wiped them with the hair of her head.
Luk 7:45 You gave Me no kiss, but this woman, since the time I came in, has not ceased to kiss My feet.
Luk 7:46 You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with ointment.


Footwashing was also a middle eastern custom as they walked around in sandals and their feet were dusty.

In America we generally shake hands and when more intimate we hug but not kiss. That is our culture...kissing was theirs.

People misunderstand the word and come up with all sort of doctrines...like snake handling.

I believe a lack of hermeneutics and the KJV lead to a lot of these problems

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The fact is many conservatives don't do the kissing thing all the while talking about how others compromise His word and not obey it. They have their excuses and reasons for why they don't have to kiss each other or drink wine instead of water.

The fact is, when you learn to study the bible you learn a principle called Hermeneutics. In Hermeneutics you must consider several factors like context, who wrote it and to whom, when, where, the grammar and types of speech.

When you realize that kissing was a customary way to greet someone

Mat 26:48 And he who betrayed Him gave them a sign, saying, Whomever I shall kiss, He is the one, lay hold on Him.
Mat 26:49 And coming up to Jesus immediately, he said, Hail, Master! And he kissed Him.


Luk 7:44 And He turned to the woman and said to Simon, Do you see this woman? I entered into your house, yet you gave Me no water for My feet. But she has washed My feet with tears, and has wiped them with the hair of her head.
Luk 7:45 You gave Me no kiss, but this woman, since the time I came in, has not ceased to kiss My feet.
Luk 7:46 You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with ointment.


Footwashing was also a middle eastern custom as they walked around in sandals and their feet were dusty.

In America we generally shake hands and when more intimate we hug but not kiss. That is our culture...kissing was theirs.

People misunderstand the word and come up with all sort of doctrines...like snake handling.

I believe a lack of hermeneutics and the KJV lead to a lot of these problems

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The fact is many conservatives don't do the kissing thing all the while talking about how others compromise His word and not obey it. They have their excuses and reasons for why they don't have to kiss each other or drink wine instead of water.

The fact is, when you learn to study the bible you learn a principle called Hermeneutics. In Hermeneutics you must consider several factors like context, who wrote it and to whom, when, where, the grammar and types of speech.

When you realize that kissing was a customary way to greet someone

Mat 26:48 And he who betrayed Him gave them a sign, saying, Whomever I shall kiss, He is the one, lay hold on Him.
Mat 26:49 And coming up to Jesus immediately, he said, Hail, Master! And he kissed Him.


Luk 7:44 And He turned to the woman and said to Simon, Do you see this woman? I entered into your house, yet you gave Me no water for My feet. But she has washed My feet with tears, and has wiped them with the hair of her head.
Luk 7:45 You gave Me no kiss, but this woman, since the time I came in, has not ceased to kiss My feet.
Luk 7:46 You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with ointment.


Footwashing was also a middle eastern custom as they walked around in sandals and their feet were dusty.

In America we generally shake hands and when more intimate we hug but not kiss. That is our culture...kissing was theirs.

People misunderstand the word and come up with all sort of doctrines...like snake handling.

I believe a lack of hermeneutics and the KJV lead to a lot of these problems

You are teaching now Brother.

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What church do you go to?

So if someone is not comfortable with a certain verse they can disobey it?

No, that's not what I'm talking about. Sorry I didnt make myself clear. I'm constantly, looking at things from my perspective, as in what I have to do to save souls. You have to preach the word, but it's up to the receiving person to obey it, you can't force them to obey.

Let's take communion for example, the preacher believes it, will preach it, and is willing and able to serve it and he won't be condemned. But if a person doesn't believe it, doesn't want to do it, the condemnation will lay on the person, not on the preacher. But if the preacher goes and take what's laid out for communion, and force them to take it, by putting it in their mouth, he'll be condemned.

The same with baptism, you have to do it and preach it, and everyone must get baptised, but he can't go and start grabbing the person, and forcing them in the water without their consent. Let the condemnation fall on them, not you.

Anyway, even if that new saint is in the wrong, you don't know if or how God is dealing or working on that saint, and you don't want to be rash, and let your lack of judgment turn them away. There's always a right way to say and do things.