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[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Ferd

You realize the UPCI has on the table for this GC striking TV from the manual right?

I just think it is a horrible idea, (yes I do have a TV, not that I watch much) but do you realize that if a child has been always deprived of candy and then that child is finally allowed to eat as much as he wants that child will not know when to stop.

I see many UPCI folks that have never seen TV before in the same situation, they will not know how to regulate their TV watching, many of them will become addicted to it and it will be a horrible thing for them.

I learned the self-discipline to watch only what I wanted and when I wanted, that is something that has never been taught to the poor UPCI brethren.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

I just think it is a horrible idea, (yes I do have a TV, not that I watch much) but do you realize that if a child has been always deprived of candy and then that child is finally allowed to eat as much as he wants that child will not know when to stop.

I see many UPCI folks that have never seen TV before in the same situation, they will not know how to regulate their TV watching, many of them will become addicted to it and it will be a horrible thing for them.

I learned the self-discipline to watch only what I wanted and when I wanted, that is something that has never been taught to the poor UPCI brethren.

So how many UPC folks do you think there are that have not watched tv? (I think not many).

Of those few that may not currently own or watch tv if they are hard core just because the org. removes the restriction from the manual or whatever does not mean they have a preacher who is going to stop preaching against it and let them do it.

A change mostly affects the legal status of licensed ministers who own a television. The new rule would keep them from violating their ministerial oath by having a tv in their home.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by CC1

So how many UPC folks do you think there are that have not watched tv? (I think not many).

Of those few that may not currently own or watch tv if they are hard core just because the org. removes the restriction from the manual or whatever does not mean they have a preacher who is going to stop preaching against it and let them do it.

A change mostly affects the legal status of licensed ministers who own a television. The new rule would keep them from violating their ministerial oath by having a tv in their home.

Today, there is probably a VERY small % of org members that have never owned one at some point. Although during our stint in the UPC (the 80's) we had a number of families who were born and raised in the church who never had one. In fact if you mentioned John Wayne or Jimmy Stewart, they had NO idea who you were talking about. They would also make a big deal about NOT walking through the areas of Sears and JCPenny's where electronics were sold lest they catch a glance of said devices.

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

They would also make a big deal about NOT walking through the areas of Sears and JCPenny's where electronics were sold lest they catch a glance of said devices.

Now that's hard core.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

Now that's hard core.

No, "hard core" are those who put blankets, towels, coats or some other covering over the TV in motel rooms.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

No, "hard core" are those who put blankets, towels, coats or some other covering over the TV in motel rooms.

A few did THAT as well!!

I remember one incident during my VERY brief stint on the bible quiz team where the "adult" assigned to our hotel room (where about 6 of us were crammed into plus him) covered the set up. Of course he was a fairly new convert (not NEW new but was only in the church a couple of years at that point) and a "pastor pleaser". In the corporate world, he would have been known as a classic brown noser.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

Now that's hard core.

Oh, they were. If there was a meeting on the churches article of faith statement, half would NOT have objected to adding "and remove your television" to Acts 2:38.

The hard part for me was that I personally watched very little television even before I was forced to give it up, but I was completely addicted to Doctor Who at the time (the Tom Baker era!) which was a whole stinkin 90 minutes, once a week. It was my one release from endless church services and Junior High school.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Oh, they were. If there was a meeting on the churches article of faith statement, half would NOT have objected to adding "and remove your television" to Acts 2:38.

The hard part for me was that I personally watched very little television even before I was forced to give it up, but I was completely addicted to Doctor Who at the time (the Tom Baker era!) which was a whole stinkin 90 minutes, once a week. It was my one release from endless church services and Junior High school.

TV is an abomination.

However, I suspect there is a definite exception for the 4th Doctor, Faulty Towers, and maybe (just maybe) the old Tom and Jerry (Ren and Stimpy would be included under that last one on general principles).

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

I just think it is a horrible idea, (yes I do have a TV, not that I watch much) but do you realize that if a child has been always deprived of candy and then that child is finally allowed to eat as much as he wants that child will not know when to stop.

I see many UPCI folks that have never seen TV before in the same situation, they will not know how to regulate their TV watching, many of them will become addicted to it and it will be a horrible thing for them.

I learned the self-discipline to watch only what I wanted and when I wanted, that is something that has never been taught to the poor UPCI brethren.

Good thing the Holy Ghost is a teacher. Which is why I think its a good Idea to strike some of these antiquated rules out of the manual. Somebody might actually have to pray through for guidance instead of consulting the UPCI book of rules.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by endtimer

Good thing the Holy Ghost is a teacher. Which is why I think its a good Idea to strike some of these antiquated rules out of the manual. Somebody might actually have to pray through for guidance instead of consulting the UPCI book of rules.

The longer I serve the Lord the less interested I am in the world.
I do have a TV, but I go days without watching anything in it.

If I am interested in a documentary or a show, I simply use Netflix and avoid all the commercials. (I hate commercials, especially if they have nothing to do with me, commercials just waste my time, I do not want commercials, if I need something I simply go to the store and get it, my anti-commercial rant)

As far as I am concerned the TV can go into the dumpster, however my wife might not be so inclined, she will probably make me take it out of the dumpster and bring it back, she needs her daily soap opera dosage.