Come Out Of Her My People

[renee819]

Talk about a straw man, this is one that needs to be set on fire. I made a list. In a list, you usually don't explain why each thing is there, that comes later. Which I did, explain.

My opening statement,

Come Out Of Her My People

Let's face it. We are ruled in the churches by Pagan Christianity.
It was the Catholic Church that brought in the Trinity baptism.
The hierarchy of Clergy and Laity.
The paying of tithes.
Church buildings
And many other things.

And the only way that I see “to come out of her” is to start Home Churches by those that are completely dedicated to God

And now let's see how some received this, they jumped on buildings, as a strawman, most likely not wanting to face the fact, that the Church is dying. And some of the reasons for it, and Jesus say's “Come out of her” Meaning, come out of the things, practices, laws, rules, the RCC placed in the True Church, thru Constantine.

I went thru most of the Posts, and here is what I said about buildings in response to the ridicule. And also many times I was misrepresented.

That is the Truth, exactly. Buildings mean nothing. We could meet in a Restaurant, a warehouse, a home, storefront, anywhere. That shouldn't be the point

And what the RCC has put into place has led to sin. It was sin in the first place, because, …
Constantine, for Political reasons, a Pagan until he died, took churches away from Pagan Priests and gave them, to the Christians. Which sounds great, but at what price? They had to compromise, agree to baptize in the Trinity.

It is a sin to compromise with False Doctrine

Constantine started the first United Religions. Combining Paganism, OT teachings and Christianity

I'm not really saying that we have to abandon buildings. I don't know what to say about that. But if they are set up as little Kingdoms with a King (man) as the ruler. Then I see no other way than to abandon the whole system. But any man in that position is not likely to do so.

However, persecution is on it's way. And just like Constantine, the churches will be asked to join the One World Religion, and if not, they will take the buildings away from you

TheRCC didn't start the Trinity. Almost every Pagan Religion has a Trinity of gods, a Mother (Queen of Heaven) Father and Son. But they authorized it into the Church, where if you baptized any other way, you had your property taken away, whether a church or a home. Many were jailed, and many martyred

I don't believe that I said that the Clergy was sin. "Which sounds great, but at what price? They had to compromise, agree to baptize in the Trinity. It is a sin to compromise with False Doctrine."
And the way that it is being used by the Clergy, is sin. As little Kings over little Kingdoms. Pride in THEIR CHUCH. Ran like a business. Some pastors are Dictators, I've had a few. A stage with performers, with spectators instead of participating. That's just a few.

The above statement needs some fixing. “To stop the martyring of Christians, He gave them buildings, or make it possible for them to have church buildings, tax exemption for the ministry, and many perks. That sounds great, but at what price?

No I did not, state that the RCC started these things.! I said, “ It was the Catholic Church that brought them in,....” You bring in, something that is already in existence. The RCC brought these things in, for political reasons to unite the Paganism, some of the OT, and Christianity, as bribes, some as policy (if they received the bribes) and as law. Not only combining the Religions, but combining Government and Religion

David wrote

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WHERE, did I ever say, that the RCC invented church buildings????

Ah and you gathered there because the Roman Catholics invented man made buildings?

Church buildings = sin, according to your statement here.

Do you David, see your strawmen conclusions? Some of these statements were made by Prax, and maybe others. I don't even want to remember who said what or hold any grudges. I do appreciate those that understood what I was talking about.
Seems some don't want to see the condition of the church. That way they won't have to change anything.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by renee819

My opening statement,


And now let's see how some received this, they jumped on buildings, as a strawman, most likely not wanting to face the fact, that the Church is dying.

See? More accusations. This is called being defensive. Rather than deal with the issues of buildings and how she words things, she tries to turn it around on others in a passive aggressive manner

Do you David, see your strawmen conclusions? Some of these statements were made by Prax, and maybe others. I don't even want to remember who said what or hold any grudges. I do appreciate those that understood what I was talking about.
Seems some don't want to see the condition of the church. That way they won't have to change anything.

That is the Truth, exactly. Buildings mean nothing. We could meet in a Restaurant, a warehouse, a home, storefront, anywhere. That shouldn't be the point

And what the RCC has put into place has led to sin. It was sin in the first place, because, …
Constantine, for Political reasons, a Pagan until he died, took churches away from Pagan Priests and gave them, to the Christians. Which sounds great, but at what price? They had to compromise, agree to baptize in the Trinity

You still have not proven the RCC did any putting into place with regards to church buildings (Yes you did say that in the first post. Now if you want to admit you were wrong rather than make excuses and try to pin it on others, be my guest)

And HERE you directly use the word SIN.

I don't believe that I said that the Clergy was sin. "Which sounds great, but at what price?

No you said what the RCC put into place (as of yet unsubstantiated claims) Led to Sin and "It was sin in the first place"

So if the RCC put clergy into place (Unsubstantiated claim), it both Led to sin and was sin in the first place

The above statement needs some fixing. “To stop the martyring of Christians, He gave them buildings, or make it possible for them to have church buildings, tax exemption for the ministry, and many perks. That sounds great, but at what price?

Church buildings predate Constantine. I already posted the evidence. I went through your evidence too and as I said, I saw no direct evidence to support any of your claims about Paganism and buildings

No I did not, state that the RCC started these things.! I said, “ It was the Catholic Church that brought them in,....” You bring in, something that is already in existence. The RCC brought these things in, for political reasons to unite the Paganism, some of the OT, and Christianity, as bribes, some as policy (if they received the bribes) and as law. Not only combining the Religions, but combining Government and Religion

As I said, prove the RCC "brought them in". The RCC did not drop out of the sky over night. It gradually developed over the course of a few centuries but church buildings were already in use by Christians before Nicea

Are you taking back your assertion that church buildings are pagan?

WHERE, did I ever say, that the RCC invented church buildings????

Ah and you gathered there because the Roman Catholics invented man made buildings?

Church buildings = sin, according to your statement here.

WHO invented them then?

Do you David, see your strawmen conclusions? Some of these statements were made by Prax, and maybe others. I don't even want to remember who said what or hold any grudges. I do appreciate those that understood what I was talking about.
Seems some don't want to see the condition of the church. That way they won't have to change anything.

My statements were quoting your words and then responding TO them. Why would you need to hold a grudge against me for doing that? It was YOU that attacked me personally.