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09-17-2013, 04:18 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Ferd,
I just fundamentally disagree that we should bury the past. We should forgive an move on as individuals but that doesn't mean we shouldn't hold the organizations feet to the fire. They say you can't affect it from the outside, I beg to differ.
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So you do have an agenda!
How are you wanting to 'affect' the UPCI? Would you like to see it completely destroyed?
To make a long story short, Baron, y'all were simply voted out. When push came to shove, there were simply more 'three steppers', as it's called here, than 'one steppers'. I'm sorry that people were hurt that had given years to the organization. But for the life of me, I can't see why they ever agreed to become one in the first place. Too far apart when it comes to the 'plan of salvation'.
Some of you seem to have wasted years, trying to 'hold the organization's feet to the fire'.
Don't know what you've accomplished during this time, but it seems to me that you've spent a lot of time and energy trying to 'get back at the organization'.
I think it would be liberating for all of you to forget about the bad old UPCI. Do something productive...like start your own organization!
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09-17-2013, 04:46 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by Sarah
So you do have an agenda!
How are you wanting to 'affect' the UPCI? Would you like to see it completely destroyed?
To make a long story short, Baron, y'all were simply voted out. When push came to shove, there were simply more 'three steppers', as it's called here, than 'one steppers'. I'm sorry that people were hurt that had given years to the organization. But for the life of me, I can't see why they ever agreed to become one in the first place. Too far apart when it comes to the 'plan of salvation'.
Some of you seem to have wasted years, trying to 'hold the organization's feet to the fire'.
Don't know what you've accomplished during this time, but it seems to me that you've spent a lot of time and energy trying to 'get back at the organization'.
I think it would be liberating for all of you to forget about the bad old UPCI. Do something productive...like start your own organization!
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No agenda. Just truth. Seems like Jack Nicholson needs to make an appearance.
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09-17-2013, 04:50 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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No agenda. Just truth. Seems like Jack Nicholson needs to make an appearance.
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Here comes Randy with a pic in 5...4....3...2...
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09-17-2013, 04:52 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Here comes Randy with a pic in 5...4....3...2...
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Naw. Not when EB will come up with an animated one.
And while I've made some surface comments on some side issues, I've been out of the UPC for far too long and don't really feel like I have a dog in this fight when it comes to history of the org.
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09-17-2013, 07:24 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Well, I do know why it was brought up. Several of us feel this is a message that is a historical marker in the life of an organization. The message and the events surrounding it set the trajectory of my religious life.
Ferd, the attitude that those of us who have generations in this movement ought to walk away and never say another word about t is baffling.
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Originally Posted by Sarah
So you do have an agenda!
How are you wanting to 'affect' the UPCI? Would you like to see it completely destroyed?
To make a long story short, Baron, y'all were simply voted out. When push came to shove, there were simply more 'three steppers', as it's called here, than 'one steppers'. I'm sorry that people were hurt that had given years to the organization. But for the life of me, I can't see why they ever agreed to become one in the first place. Too far apart when it comes to the 'plan of salvation'.
Some of you seem to have wasted years, trying to 'hold the organization's feet to the fire'.
Don't know what you've accomplished during this time, but it seems to me that you've spent a lot of time and energy trying to 'get back at the organization'.
I think it would be liberating for all of you to forget about the bad old UPCI. Do something productive...like start your own organization!
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Oh, ok, lets think about this for a moment.... how did the generation of Oneness Pentecostals react to the Assembly of God general conference of 1916? Did they just say "well, we got voted out, lets move on with our lives guys, no need to discuss this anymore." After a few years or decades did they just forget?
NO. In fact it is still occasionally whined about how mean those ole Assembly of God guys were. Its PRESERVED in all the histories written by oneness Pentecostals. So history is only worth preserving when THEY are the ones who played the martyr, while those who were victims of similar injustices are told "just get over it".
Its called a double standard, and sadly, its what the UPC has majored on.
Lets move on, fine. We need to, but I find it ironic that nearly 100 years later some in the UPC still decry the happenings of the AG conference, while telling others to just shut up about what happened a mere 20 years ago.
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09-17-2013, 07:35 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
Oh, ok, lets think about this for a moment....how did the generation of Oneness Pentecostals react to the Assembly of God general conference of 1916? Did they just say "well, we got voted out, lets move on with our lives guys, no need to discuss this anymore." After a few years or decades did they just forget?
NO. In fact it is still occasionally whined about how mean those ole Assembly of God guys were. Its PRESERVED in all the histories written by oneness Pentecostals. So history is only worth preserving when THEY are the ones who played the martyr, while those who were victims of similar injustices are told "just get over it".
Its called a double standard, and sadly, its what the UPC has majored on.
Lets move on, fine. We need to, but I find it ironic that nearly 100 years later some in the UPC still decry the happenings of the AG conference, while telling others to just shut up about what happened a mere 20 years ago.
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Funny years ago I talked to my old pastor and he asked me where I was going to church and I told the Assembly of God, all he could say was why the Assembly??? I told him because it was not UPC, and all he said was yea I know that but why the Assemblies??? 
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09-18-2013, 07:01 AM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by navygoat1998
Funny years ago I talked to my old pastor and he asked me where I was going to church and I told the Assembly of God, all he could say was why the Assembly??? I told him because it was not UPC, and all he said was yea I know that but why the Assemblies??? |
Navy!
When I told my family about leaving Oneness, that is THE EXACT same question my Mom had?
She was very disheartened that of all the churches to attend, I had decided to attend an AG church!
She had a couple other questions too, but your old Pastor's wording and her wording were exact matches.
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09-18-2013, 07:06 AM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
Oh, ok, lets think about this for a moment....how did the generation of Oneness Pentecostals react to the Assembly of God general conference of 1916?
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They moved on and started their own orgs. They did not demand the AoG change to accomodate them.
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09-18-2013, 07:08 AM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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They moved on and started their own orgs. They did not demand the AoG change to accomodate them.
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Ooops.... 
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09-17-2013, 07:56 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by Sarah
So you do have an agenda!
How are you wanting to 'affect' the UPCI? Would you like to see it completely destroyed?
To make a long story short, Baron, y'all were simply voted out. When push came to shove, there were simply more 'three steppers', as it's called here, than 'one steppers'. I'm sorry that people were hurt that had given years to the organization. But for the life of me, I can't see why they ever agreed to become one in the first place. Too far apart when it comes to the 'plan of salvation'.
Some of you seem to have wasted years, trying to 'hold the organization's feet to the fire'.
Don't know what you've accomplished during this time, but it seems to me that you've spent a lot of time and energy trying to 'get back at the organization'.
I think it would be liberating for all of you to forget about the bad old UPCI. Do something productive...like start your own organization!
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It wasn't "Push came to shove"...it's not like the One steppers were trying to take over.
They became One because they ALL believed in Repentance, Water baptism in the name of Jesus and the Baptism of the Spirit with speaking in tongues as well as the "One God" message. They simply did not place the same emphasis on when and how salvation occurs
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