Who Is The Holy Spirit?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Luk 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Act 7:55 But he [Stephen], being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God

How could Jesus and Stephen be full of the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost not indwell them?



Yep. But the Holy Ghost alone isn't the fullness of deity?

So you do not see the statement of Col. 2:9 as being exclusive to Christ ? Just asking for a clarification of your position?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

So you do not see the statement of Col. 2:9 as being exclusive to Christ ? Just asking for a clarification of your position?

No doubt Col 2:9 is speaking exclusively of Christ, but you cannot have verse 9 without verse 10....

Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

No doubt Col 2:9 is speaking exclusively of Christ, but you cannot have verse 9 without verse 10....

Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

I already beat you to that point. If there is no difference in Christ and us as it relates to how the Spirit indwells, then we too are the head of all principality and power , and peopleare complete in us.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I already beat you to that point. If there is no difference in Christ and us as it relates to how the Spirit indwells, then we too are the head of all principality and power , and peopleare complete in us.

Of course not. Simply because the Holy Ghost indwelled both Jesus and Stephen doesn't mean that Stephen = Jesus. The indwelling of the Holy Ghost doesn't mean that we have the same calling and anointing.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Of course not. Simply because the Holy Ghost indwelled both Jesus and Stephen doesn't mean that Stephen = Jesus. The indwelling of the Holy Ghost doesn't mean that we have the same calling and anointing.

Oh so now it's OK for YOU to bring up callings, anointings, functions, etc., but not me?

So then, by your own admission, Jesus could ,as a man, be filled with an anointing of the Spirit, and yet still be the embodiment of that Spirit in flesh.
Jesus' "anointing" is to be the Spirit in bodily form, and the place through which that deity is expressed and rule takes place. You will never see any other visible expression of God than what you see in the Son. Get used to it.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Oh so now it's OK for YOU to bring up callings, anointings, functions, etc., but not me?

Not in the sense you did. The callings, anointings, functions, is a separate issue than the fact that the Holy Ghost indwells Jesus and Stephen and us. You, as well as anyone else, still hasn't identified that which dwells in Jesus which results in the fullness of the Godhead and that which dwells in us which doesn't result in the fullness of the Godhead.

The Holy Ghost indwells both us and Jesus, as I've pointed out over and over and over and over and over, but there seems to be something not indwelling us which indwelled Jesus. You, nor has anyone else, identified that which we lack.

So then, by your own admission, Jesus could ,as a man, be filled with an anointing of the Spirit, and yet still be the embodiment of that Spirit in flesh.
Jesus' "anointing" is to be the Spirit in bodily form, and the place through which that deity is expressed and rule takes place. You will never see any other visible expression of God than what you see in the Son. Get used to it.

And the same Holy Ghost which indwelled Jesus indwelled Stephen and indwelled those on the day of Pentecost and indwells those who are filled with the Spirit of God, including trinitarians.

Jesus wasn't the Holy Ghost, Jesus was filled with the Holy Ghost and led by the Holy Ghost, per scripture.

You're not, nor will anyone else, going to reveal that which indwelled Jesus which doesn't indwell us. I know that, you know that.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Not in the sense you did. The callings, anointings, functions, is a separate issue than the fact that the Holy Ghost indwells Jesus and Stephen and us. You, as well as anyone else, still hasn't identified that which dwells in Jesus which results in the fullness of the Godhead and that which dwells in us which doesn't result in the fullness of the Godhead.

Sure I have. To humor you, I'll do it again.

Paul's description of what "dwelleth" in Jesus .....

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form

For in Christ there is all of God in a human body;


This is clearly referring to Deity taking on a bodily form. Are you the Deity in bodily form because the deity lives in your heart?

Now look at verse 10. As a result of the Deity taking on bodily form in Christ, the following is said of him in verse 10....

A) People are made complete in him

B) He is the head of all principality and power.

Again the latter two attributes are ascribed to him because the Deity has taken bodily form in him.

Continuing...

At his Messianic anointing following his baptism, Jesus began his ministry. Peter refers to this in acts 10:38....

38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

Again, an anointing as a man.

But there was something else that was going to be given to Christ that he did not have at that point...

37 On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink.

38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[c]

39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. (john 7:37-39)

The glorification and sending of the Spirit would occur after Jesus bodily left this planet and assumed the throne of God...

Unless I go away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. (John 16:7)

At Pentecost, Peter credits Jesus for having fulfilled Joel's prophecy where Jehovah declared "In the last days I will pour out MY Spirit upon all flesh..."

As John 7 foretold, and as Jesus promised, he was glorified and given the right to fulfill Jehovah's promise made through Joel that he would pour out His Spirit on all flesh. Peter described this event this way in Acts 2:33...

33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

This is describing a completely different event than what is described in the gospels of Jesus being "full of the Holy Ghost". This is where all the fulness of Deity came to dwell in Him. This is where people could become complete in him. This is when he became the head of all principality and power. This is what John saw in Revelation 5 when the "seven Spirits of God" that had been before the throne of God in chapter 4, actually came to become part of the Lamb's very being in chapter 5. The seven Spirits of God are referred to as the Lamb's "seven horns" (almighty) and "seven eyes" (all knowing, all seeing, omnipresence). After the seven Spirits of God became part of the Lambs very being, they were no longer "before the throne of God" as Revelation 4 describes, but were "sent into all the earth" (Rev. 5:6), thus fulfilling Jehovah's promise in Joel chapter 2.

Therefore, the only Father you will ever know is the Father that is now fully incarnate and ruling through his only Son, the man Christ Jesus.

Absolutely Christ has something dwelling in Him that Stephen, you and I do not.