Who Is The Holy Spirit?

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Luke

Form eternity past Jesus was God. Before Jesus was born He was God. When He was born as a baby in a lowly stable He was God. When he grew as a young boy Hewas God. As he became a a young man He was God. On His went to be baptized of John He was God. When He began His ministry He was God. When He was betrated He was God. When He was on the cross He was God. When He closed His eyes in death He was God. When He arose triumphant over death satan and the grave He was God. When He ascended up He was God. Today Jesus is God. And throughout eternity He will be God.

AMEN!!!!

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by renee819

AMEN!!!!

Respectfully disagree with Brother Luke. Would refer you to my post in the debate room, in the Godhead section. Still love to read both of your writings though.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

Respectfully disagree with Brother Luke. Would refer you to my post in the debate room, in the Godhead section. Still love to read both of your writings though.

He wasn't God?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Luke

Form eternity past Jesus was God. Before Jesus was born He was God. When He was born as a baby in a lowly stable He was God. When he grew as a young boy Hewas God. As he became a a young man He was God. On His went to be baptized of John He was God. When He began His ministry He was God. When He was betrated He was God. When He was on the cross He was God. When He closed His eyes in death He was God. When He arose triumphant over death satan and the grave He was God. When He ascended up He was God. Today Jesus is God. And throughout eternity He will be God.

Jesus was the firstborn of all creation, He wasn't God, God has never been a baby, young boy, young man or adult man. When God said that He was well pleased with Him, He wasn't God. When He was filled with the Spirit of God, He wasn't God and when He was led by the Spirit of God, He wasn't God. When He was betrayed He wasn't God and when He was on the cross calling out to His God, He wasn't God. When He died He wasn't God. When He arose and ascend to His, and His brethern's God and Father, He wasn't God.

Jesus has never been, and is not now, God. He was the Son of God.

[Praxeas]

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

28 tn The Greek term πρωτότοκος (prōtotokos) could refer either to first in order of time, such as a first born child, or it could refer to one who is preeminent in rank. M. J. Harris, Colossians and Philemon (EGGNT), 43, expresses the meaning of the word well: "The 'firstborn' was either the eldest child in a family or a person of preeminent rank. The use of this term to describe the Davidic king in [LXX] Psa_88:28 LXX (=Psa_89:27 EVV), 'I will also appoint him my firstborn (πρωτότοκον), the most exalted of the kings of the earth,' indicates that it can denote supremacy in rank as well as priority in time. But whether the πρωτό- element in the word denotes time, rank, or both, the significance of the -τοκος element as indicating birth or origin (from τίκτω, give birth to) has been virtually lost except in ref. to lit. birth." In Col_1:15 the emphasis is on the priority of Jesus' rank as over and above creation (cf. Col_1:16 and the "for" clause referring to Jesus as Creator).

29 tn The genitive construction πάσης κτίσεως (pasēs ktiseōs) is a genitive of subordination and is therefore translated as "over all creation." See ExSyn 103-4.

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[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

28 tn The Greek term πρωτότοκος (prōtotokos) could refer either to first in order of time, such as a first born child, or it could refer to one who is preeminent in rank. M. J. Harris, Colossians and Philemon (EGGNT), 43, expresses the meaning of the word well: "The 'firstborn' was either the eldest child in a family or a person of preeminent rank. The use of this term to describe the Davidic king in [LXX] Psa_88:28 LXX (=Psa_89:27 EVV), 'I will also appoint him my firstborn (πρωτότοκον), the most exalted of the kings of the earth,' indicates that it can denote supremacy in rank as well as priority in time. But whether the πρωτό- element in the word denotes time, rank, or both, the significance of the -τοκος element as indicating birth or origin (from τίκτω, give birth to) has been virtually lost except in ref. to lit. birth." In Col_1:15 the emphasis is on the priority of Jesus' rank as over and above creation (cf. Col_1:16 and the "for" clause referring to Jesus as Creator).

29 tn The genitive construction πάσης κτίσεως (pasēs ktiseōs) is a genitive of subordination and is therefore translated as "over all creation." See ExSyn 103-4.

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So, in your own words, what is your point?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

So, in your own words, what is your point?

"Firstborn over all Creation" has nothing to do with Him not being God

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

"Firstborn over all Creation" has nothing to do with Him not being God

Why not?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Why not?

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

28 tn The Greek term πρωτότοκος (prōtotokos) could refer either to first in order of time, such as a first born child, or it could refer to one who is preeminent in rank. M. J. Harris, Colossians and Philemon (EGGNT), 43, expresses the meaning of the word well: "The 'firstborn' was either the eldest child in a family or a person of preeminent rank. The use of this term to describe the Davidic king in [LXX] Psa_88:28 LXX (=Psa_89:27 EVV), 'I will also appoint him my firstborn (πρωτότοκον), the most exalted of the kings of the earth,' indicates that it can denote supremacy in rank as well as priority in time. But whether the πρωτό- element in the word denotes time, rank, or both, the significance of the -τοκος element as indicating birth or origin (from τίκτω, give birth to) has been virtually lost except in ref. to lit. birth." In Col_1:15 the emphasis is on the priority of Jesus' rank as over and above creation (cf. Col_1:16 and the "for" clause referring to Jesus as Creator).

29 tn The genitive construction πάσης κτίσεως (pasēs ktiseōs) is a genitive of subordination and is therefore translated as "over all creation." See ExSyn 103-4.

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[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Why not?

It's a simple reference to the resurrection. It does not say "first created being".