Bullies and bullying- how close to home is it?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Now back to the original topic. One of the reasons 'Jordan' felt this way was probably because of, or at least influenced by, the nihilism so prevalent in public culture today, especially in public schools. Society is literally smothering young people today with political correctness garbage which is nothing more than communism. We have communism running rampant in america, especially in the educational system. Communist countries were always drab, dreary, suffocating places that sucked the life out of the people. Combine that with popular entertainment, and 'popular youth culture' designed by Hollyweird's antichrist communists and shoved down their throats everyday, and what do you expect? Pointless people with totally messed up 'values' and no training in how to deal with life.

And the horrible thing about it is that all this has been PLANNED. It's intentional.

America has become the Animal Farm.

While I agree with the above, I'm failing to see how it plays into teens killing themselves over bullying.

PC ........ makes me sick.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Sasha

While I agree with the above, I'm failing to see how it plays into teens killing themselves over bullying. PC ........ makes me sick.

he is saying that kids are over nurtured. they are not allowed to experience pain and disappointments... then when they do, they do not know how to cope with it...

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by houston

he is saying that kids are over nurtured. they are not allowed to experience pain and disappointments... then when they do, they do not know how to cope with it...

I'm not sure how someone can assume that, especially since most of these kids don't have both parents in the home and the other who is either gone all the time or on welfare and drugs. And many kids, especially those in the larger urban areas, hope to get home safely on a daily basis. At least my kids don't have to worry about someone shooting them when on their way home.

Their school has an armed cop, however.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm not sure how someone can assume that, especially since most of these kids don't have both parents in the home and the other who is either gone all the time or on welfare and drugs. And many kids, especially those in the larger urban areas, hope to get home safely on a daily basis. At least my kids don't have to worry about someone shooting them when on their way home.

Their school has an armed cop, however.

It's not just 'overnurturing', it's a combination of things. 'Different strokes for different folks' is the devil's motto, as far as I can tell. He offers one path to destruction to one group, and another path to another, depending on what their situation is.

But a lot of the 'soft' kids i know about, have horrible home lives. I mean parents who aren't there, who basically despise their own children and let them know it, etc. There's just something missing in the psyche of a lot of youth today. I know many people I grew up with who had unbelievably horrible home lives, who were anything BUT 'nurtured', who did not turn out as 'helpless' as I see a lot of kids today.

In fact that's what it is - learned helplessness. I guess. I see so many kids who seem barely able to tie their shoelaces without someone holding their hand.

Some kids get too much 'affirmation' so that can't deal with 'rejection' or opposition. Other kids get no affirmation to the point they crave it so bad they can't get along without it.

I mean, it's like young people today are just fragile or something.

Of course, I know for a fact my dad felt pretty much the same way about my generation. And I know my grandpa probably felt the same way about my parents' generation, lol.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It's not just 'overnurturing', it's a combination of things. 'Different strokes for different folks' is the devil's motto, as far as I can tell. He offers one path to destruction to one group, and another path to another, depending on what their situation is.

But a lot of the 'soft' kids i know about, have horrible home lives. I mean parents who aren't there, who basically despise their own children and let them know it, etc. There's just something missing in the psyche of a lot of youth today. I know many people I grew up with who had unbelievably horrible home lives, who were anything BUT 'nurtured', who did not turn out as 'helpless' as I see a lot of kids today.

In fact that's what it is - learned helplessness. I guess. I see so many kids who seem barely able to tie their shoelaces without someone holding their hand.

Some kids get too much 'affirmation' so that can't deal with 'rejection' or opposition. Other kids get no affirmation to the point they crave it so bad they can't get along without it.

I mean, it's like young people today are just fragile or something.

Of course, I know for a fact my dad felt pretty much the same way about my generation. And I know my grandpa probably felt the same way about my parents' generation, lol.

Like I said, we kicked God to the curb then the world wonders why their children are in overcrowded prisons.

My mom was one to make me do everything myself. My brother, however, she coddled. Today, you can see the difference in him and I in all areas. While I hated her for it then, she actually did me a huge favor!

[Praxeas]

Because we're conditioned to believe that people commit such horrible acts because they feel badly about themselves, we conclude that these two girls must somehow be psychologically fractured and hamstrung by low self-esteem and self-hate.


Though it is true that "hurting people hurt people," more research reveals that the opposite is true when it comes to bullying: Girls like Rebecca are stalked, harassed, beaten and slandered due to inordinate self-love.
Writes Dr. Roy Baumeister of the University of Florida in Scientific American: "Playground bullies regard themselves as superior to other children; low self-esteem is found among the victims of bullies but not among bullies themselves."


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...-about-others/

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Because we're conditioned to believe that people commit such horrible acts because they feel badly about themselves, we conclude that these two girls must somehow be psychologically fractured and hamstrung by low self-esteem and self-hate.


Though it is true that "hurting people hurt people," more research reveals that the opposite is true when it comes to bullying: Girls like Rebecca are stalked, harassed, beaten and slandered due to inordinate self-love.
Writes Dr. Roy Baumeister of the University of Florida in Scientific American: "Playground bullies regard themselves as superior to other children; low self-esteem is found among the victims of bullies but not among bullies themselves."


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...-about-others/

Growing up the most common advice I heard from adults as well as "children" books written on the subject of bullies is that bullies are always cowards who will back down if you stand up to them.

I have found this to almost NEVER be the case. In fact MOST bullies will always escalate the situation no matter the consequences in order to come out on top.

MOST of the really bad bullies I dealt with spent some series time in prison and jail.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by houston

he is saying that kids are over nurtured. they are not allowed to experience pain and disappointments... then when they do, they do not know how to cope with it...

I think this is true with a lot of mainstream kids.