Can God Pray?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I know that Jesus had a God and Father that He shared with His brethern too.

We all do.

Let's talk about if Jesus was a person who DID suffer, die, rise on the third day and ascend to His, and His brethren's, Father and God.

Again? Yes...don't you get tired of asking the same questions over and over?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Again? Yes...don't you get tired of asking the same questions over and over?

You're all over the place in this, prax. You said..."I can also say Persons don't die for three days then come back to life. Persons don't walk on water. etc etc. These are all naturalistic and normative views we have of what a Person is...until we talk about what and who God is and what He can do."

Now to me, and apparently I'm not understanding your position, that is saying that Jesus wasn't a person, that He was something unidentified, requiring more discussion.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You're all over the place in this, prax. You said..."I can also say Persons don't die for three days then come back to life. Persons don't walk on water. etc etc. These are all naturalistic and normative views we have of what a Person is...until we talk about what and who God is and what He can do."

Now to me, and apparently I'm not understanding your position, that is saying that Jesus wasn't a person, that He was something unidentified, requiring more discussion.

No, that was me pointing out to someone else that when we compare God to Man we make a big mistake because in our NORMAL experience we don't walk on water. Do you? We never SEEN anyone walk on water. We don't die and three days later. it's not NORMAL.

So the fallacy is comparing Human PERSONS to GOD and expecting God to be LIKE us.

So no, I am not all over the place and no you didn't understand

Here is what I said in context

It's impossible because we ARE separate persons. We aren't talking about a possibility. I KNOW Jesus is God because the bible says so.

God isn't defined existentially nor functionally by humans existentialism or functional ability.

I can also say Persons don't die for three days then come back to life. Persons don't walk on water. etc etc. These are all naturalistic and normative views we have of what a Person is...until we talk about what and who God is and what He can do.

Now, you'll need to follow what Jfrog said before you can understand the point that we can't compare God to man and go "Aha! If we can't do it. neither can God"

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No, that was me pointing out to someone else that when we compare God to Man we make a big mistake because in our NORMAL experience we don't walk on water. Do you? We never SEEN anyone walk on water. We don't die and three days later. it's not NORMAL.

So the fallacy is comparing Human PERSONS to GOD and expecting God to be LIKE us.

So no, I am not all over the place and no you didn't understand

I understand that Jesus was not NORMAL in so many ways, but His being abnormal doesn't make Him God. I understand that Jesus was unlike any other being, no doubt about that. I also understand that Jesus was Jesus and God was God. There is no Jesus, who is God praying to someone else (and He WAS praying to someone else) who is Jesus and is God. As the apostolic missionary said, and I agree with his statement....""God cannot pray! If he could, he would not be God! We all know that God cannot pray to God and still be God!". The person who prayed to God wasn't God, He was the Son of God.
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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I understand that Jesus was not NORMAL in so many ways, but His being abnormal doesn't make Him God.

That wasn't the point

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That wasn't the point

The point was, Jesus isn't God for God cannot pray to God.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I understand that Jesus was not NORMAL in so many ways, but His being abnormal doesn't make Him God. I understand that Jesus was unlike any other being, no doubt about that. I also understand that Jesus was Jesus and God was God. There is no Jesus, who is God praying to someone else (and He WAS praying to someone else) who is Jesus and is God. As the apostolic missionary said, and I agree with his statement....""God cannot pray! If he could, he would not be God! We all know that God cannot pray to God and still be God!". The person who prayed to God wasn't God, He was the Son of God.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

That wasn't the point

Originally Posted by seekerman

The point was, Jesus isn't God for God cannot pray to God.

Let me rephrase that since you never were following Jfrog's conversation with me and seem to be confused

That wasn't MY Point. In other words you don't know what MY point was and Im not gonna try to explain it again