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11-15-2013, 02:34 AM
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Re: Does The Baptizor Impute The Name Of Jesus?
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Further... why would you NOT want the name of Jesus spoken over you by the baptizor? Why would you not want to confess that you are a sinner and call on the Name of Jesus during baptism? After all, it is biblical, as pointed out by Esiasis in another thread with this verse:
Acts 22:16 "And now, why tarriest thou? arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
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Kept, If I was being baptized today, I would say, "Lord Jesus, I thank you for forgiving me of my sins. And now I ask you to wash those sins away, in your precious name Jesus, I ask it."
At that point, I don't believe that we should say that we are a sinner. Because we would have been forgiven of all past sins, and not living in sin.
Maybe I'm wrong but I believe a sinner is one living in sin. We as Christians may commit a sin, and do sometimes but we ask for forgiveness and strive not to commit that sin again.
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11-15-2013, 04:26 PM
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Re: Does The Baptizor Impute The Name Of Jesus?
From what I can find in history, in the early church the one being baptized made a statement identifying with Jesus Christ, his deity, and his substitutionary work at calvary. Some accounts record a series of questions asked the candidate such as "Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God? Do you believe that he died for your sins? Do you now accept and proclaim his Lordship in/over your life?" And after the proclamation by the candidate the baptizer would pronounce I now baptize you into Jesus Christ or in the name of Jesus Christ.
From this I began a few years ago to have the candidate profess/make a declaration before I baptize them calling on the name of the Lord.
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11-15-2013, 04:47 PM
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Re: Does The Baptizor Impute The Name Of Jesus?
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From what I can find in history, in the early church the one being baptized made a statement identifying with Jesus Christ, his deity, and his substitutionary work at calvary. Some accounts record a series of questions asked the candidate such as "Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God? Do you believe that he died for your sins? Do you now accept and proclaim his Lordship in/over your life?" And after the proclamation by the candidate the baptizer would pronounce I now baptize you into Jesus Christ or in the name of Jesus Christ.
From this I began a few years ago to have the candidate profess/make a declaration before I baptize them calling on the name of the Lord.
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Great thoughts here. I think it is appropriate to make sure they understand the demands of discipleship before submitting to baptism. The time needed for this basic understanding will vary from person to person. The Samaritans believed those things Philip preached " concerning the Kingdom of God and the Name of Jesus Christ", then they were baptized. Are we truly teaching this message (having to do with the kingly authority that is given unto the One bearing that most precious name and our requirement of total surrender to his authority), or are we stressing vocalization of the name only, thus misleading and robbing the baptizee of a clearer understanding? Are we leading them into a surrender to the authority of the One bearing the name, or are we starting their conversion with indoctrination on how to be a good Oneness Pentecostal?
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11-15-2013, 11:02 PM
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Re: Does The Baptizor Impute The Name Of Jesus?
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From this I began a few years ago to have the candidate profess/make a declaration before I baptize them calling on the name of the Lord.
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This is awesome!
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11-15-2013, 11:06 PM
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Re: Does The Baptizor Impute The Name Of Jesus?
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Kept wrote,
Kept, If I was being baptized today, I would say, "Lord Jesus, I thank you for forgiving me of my sins. And now I ask you to wash those sins away, in your precious name Jesus, I ask it."
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Yes indeed.
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Originally Posted by renee819
At that point, I don't believe that we should say that we are a sinner. Because we would have been forgiven of all past sins, and not living in sin.
Maybe I'm wrong but I believe a sinner is one living in sin. We as Christians may commit a sin, and do sometimes but we ask for forgiveness and strive not to commit that sin again.
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I believe this could be a personal preference or understanding, and I respect that... but most important of all... as long as repentance is accompanied by faith in Jesus, as the name of Jesus is invoked by the believer, that baptism would be a powerful experience in the life of that believer.
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11-16-2013, 12:24 AM
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Re: Does The Baptizor Impute The Name Of Jesus?
Randy, I knew a deaf minister who signed the name of Jesus, though he could speak to some degree, having lost about 90% or more of his hearing when he was about three, i.e. after he had learned to somewhat speak. So, he also said the name, as best as he could, when he water baptized.
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