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11-20-2013, 02:44 PM
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Re: Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
1 Corinthians 14:22 ESV
Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.
1 Corinthians 14:23 ESV
If, therefore, the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds?
1 Corinthians 14:24 ESV
But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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11-20-2013, 02:48 PM
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Re: Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
1 Corinthians 14:22 ESV
Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.
1 Corinthians 14:23 ESV
If, therefore, the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds?
1 Corinthians 14:24 ESV
But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all
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A little bit off topic here. How are tongues a sign for unbelievers?
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11-20-2013, 02:59 PM
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Re: Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
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Originally Posted by TGBTG
A little bit off topic here. How are tongues a sign for unbelievers?
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Something visible or audible that they can hear/see, that would help cause them to believe...
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11-20-2013, 04:10 PM
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Re: Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
1 Corinthians 14:22 ESV
Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.
1 Corinthians 14:23 ESV
If, therefore, the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds?
1 Corinthians 14:24 ESV
But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TGBTG
A little bit off topic here. How are tongues a sign for unbelievers?
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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord
Something visible or audible that they can hear/see, that would help cause them to believe...
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But unbelievers cannot understand tongues, right?
Isn't that why Paul said an unbeliever might think we are out of our mind if said unbeliever saw a bunch of believers speaking in tongues? So how does speaking in tongues help them believe?
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11-20-2013, 04:16 PM
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Re: Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
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Originally Posted by TGBTG
But unbelievers cannot understand tongues, right?
Isn't that why Paul said an unbeliever might think we are out of our mind if said unbeliever saw a bunch of believers speaking in tongues? So how does speaking in tongues help them believe?
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With stammering lips and another tongue will I speak to this people, yet for all they will not hear me.
Wherefore tongues are a sign for them that believe not.
That is to say, if everyone is peaking in tongues with no interpreter, then the unbeliever will not become convinced, but will conclude the church is insane and off their rocker. IE they will not 'believe' or hearken unto God. Thus, tongues becomes a witness or sign against them, as per the OT citation.
Paul would rather they prophesied, so as to produce belief, not just speak in tongues (with no interpretation) which will likely not produce belief.
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11-20-2013, 04:27 PM
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Re: Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
Gee, I dunno...do sick people belong in a hospital?
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11-20-2013, 04:28 PM
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Re: Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
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Originally Posted by phareztamar
Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
Gee, I dunno...do sick people belong in a hospital?
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Is the church a hospital?
Did Jesus say for us to go forth and build churches so the sick can come in if they want to and get better?
Or did he say for us to go forth and TELL THEM THE GOOD NEWS, heal them, and receive them as members of the church?
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11-20-2013, 04:31 PM
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Re: Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
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Originally Posted by Esaias
With stammering lips and another tongue will I speak to this people, yet for all they will not hear me.
Wherefore tongues are a sign for them that believe not.
That is to say, if everyone is peaking in tongues with no interpreter, then the unbeliever will not become convinced, but will conclude the church is insane and off their rocker.
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I get that part. Interpretation is needed.
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Originally Posted by Esaias
IE they will not 'believe' or hearken unto God. Thus, tongues becomes a witness or sign against them, as per the OT citation.
Paul would rather they prophesied, so as to produce belief, not just speak in tongues (with no interpretation) which will likely not produce belief.
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1 Cor 14 "...but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."
Based on what you wrote, it seems you're saying prophesying serves unbelievers?
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11-20-2013, 05:05 PM
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Re: Do unbelievers belong in the assembly?
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Originally Posted by TGBTG
1 Cor 14 "...but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."
Based on what you wrote, it seems you're saying prophesying serves unbelievers?
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No. I'm saying prophesying can produce belief, therefore it is a sign for them that believe.
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