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Old 11-20-2013, 04:44 PM
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Re: Sinful housework

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Perhaps before we define perfection any more, we should look at the seven churches in the book of Revelation. They were 7 churches who fully believed they were doing all they should be doing for the Lord. However, the Lord had a rebuke for EACH one of them. None of them escaped.

It would do us all well to consider that no matter how perfect we may try to be, how long and hard we labor to eradicate sin from our lives, when He looks into the deep dark caverns of our hearts and lives, what does He find?

It would do us all well to spend time allowing God's Spirit to illuminate the things in our lives that need removed. They may not necessarily be labeled as "sin" but they could be hang-ups in our walk with Him. And the things I need to deal with in my own heart, will be different than the things in your life.

Let's be practical here. I believe each day we should strive for perfection, and seek to cast things out of our lives that the Spirit shows us are not pleasing to the Lord. We should not forget that the Lord knows us far better than we know ourselves. We may think we are not capable of "such and such a sin", but our flesh can catch us off guard at any moment, and attack us with a temptation or desire that we thought we had overcome.

Without the SPIRIT of the Lord being an active part of our lives, we will not be able to detect the things within our heart that are not pleasing to him.

1 John 2:27-28 "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. And now little children, abide in Him, that when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."
The Church at Smyrna.

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Rev. 2:8-11

No rebuke just encouragement!

Philadelphia:

7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev. 3:7-13

No rebuke just praise!

All the rest are found wanting.

I do wish to show the exact problem with the Sardis Church. It is right on topic.

1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev. 3:1-6

Their Church is reproved by Christ. Why?

THEIR WORKS WERE NOT PERFECT!

This is why the issue is so important. At LEAST these people knew their works were supposed to be perfect. The Churches nowadays don't have a clue, for the most part. They teach no such thing!

If these saints of God were in danger of being blotted out of the book of life (verse 5) how much more those of today who have been taught they CANNOT EVEN BE MADE PERFECT?

KBTW, I believe you understand my use of caps and bold is not meant to insult anyone as Aquila has charged. It is simply to EMPHASIZE and make the point as strong as I know how.

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Re: Sinful housework

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KBTW, I believe you understand my use of caps and bold is not meant to insult anyone as Aquila has charged. It is simply to EMPHASIZE and make the point as strong as I know how.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:20 AM
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KBTW, I believe you understand my use of caps and bold is not meant to insult anyone as Aquila has charged. It is simply to EMPHASIZE and make the point as strong as I know how.
Hey... Mr. Perfect...

I never charged you of "insult". A perfect man with the mind of Christ would not say I did something I didn't do.

What I did do is point out the bitterness that blinds you on occasion when we speak. It just blinded you in the post above... and that is "perfection"???

No. That's carnality Michael.

I love you bro. Just sharing my thoughts. Please note, if you're a bit bitter and carnal, according to my belief it's honorable to be honest about it, confess it, and take it to the Lord in prayer. It might even be a process through which you must go to find the roots of the bitterness, because it can go back many many years and you not know it. It doesn't mean your salvation is in absolute peril either. In fact... you're assured salvation and oneness with God in Spirit is what is bringing it to light to be dealt with.

Now... if you're right, according to what I understand of your position... you're not modeling the perfection you profess so adamantly.
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Hey... Mr. Perfect...

I never charged you of "insult". A perfect man with the mind of Christ would not say I did something I didn't do.

What I did do is point out the bitterness that blinds you on occasion when we speak. It just blinded you in the post above... and that is "perfection"???

No. That's carnality Michael.

I love you bro. Just sharing my thoughts. Please note, if you're a bit bitter and carnal, according to my belief it's honorable to be honest about it, confess it, and take it to the Lord in prayer. It might even be a process through which you must go to find the roots of the bitterness, because it can go back many many years and you not know it. It doesn't mean your salvation is in absolute peril either. In fact... you're assured salvation and oneness with God in Spirit is what is bringing it to light to be dealt with.

Now... if you're right, according to what I understand of your position... you're not modeling the perfection you profess so adamantly.
Honestly, I do not see where Michael exhibited any bitterness, anger, or anything in his posts.

Perhaps I am just blind, but seriously, I did not see it. I read your comments about his posts being bitter or whatever and thought 'Wha...? What in the world? Aquila has been listening to 'Sam' too much...' lol
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Honestly, I do not see where Michael exhibited any bitterness, anger, or anything in his posts.

Perhaps I am just blind, but seriously, I did not see it. I read your comments about his posts being bitter or whatever and thought 'Wha...? What in the world? Aquila has been listening to 'Sam' too much...' lol

LOL! You're not right. Don't mix thread topics. LOL

I've talked with Michael quite a bit in the past about this perfection business. Michael wrote...

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IF ONE DESIRES TO BE PERFECT?

I did not know we had a choice in the matter?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matt 5:48

Or:

12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God Col. 4:12

So it looks like its not optional from here!
What was he responding to? My statement,

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If one desires to be "perfect" I believe they do well to grow in two areas...
-They should seek to grow in loving God with all of their being.
-They should demonstrate their growing love of God by growing in their love towards others. Ever increasingly loving others as themselves.
Notice, I'm speaking with courtesy. I'm not being dogmatic. I'm simply saying, if one desires to be "perfect"... I believe that they the do well to grow in two areas.

Where does Michael get that by saying "If one desires" that I believe that it is "optional"??? He's merely lashing out at the post I gave as he has in the past. Because I strongly emphasize the commandments of the Law of Christ over all legalistic demands.

I was being courteous. Leaving it open for those who do not wish to do what I think (even if Michael and I believe they should). Always leave people free to chose. You can't kick a person into wanting to be holy.

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