An Apology

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why bash brother Epley when he is not here to defend himself?

Starting to remind me of my old elementary schoolyard...

This started with a question to epley, one he never answered before he skedattled. It's more about the behavior in some `apostolic ' churches than epley's evasion though.

[n david]

Originally Posted by seekerman

So you lied when you said that I said "mass graves".

Glad we got that straight for I've never said such a thing.

Did you even read the comment I posted? Mass = large number. Several posts from you state there are graves of men, women, children and infant. You're arguing semantics. Mass = large number, which is what you claim.

Originally Posted by seekerman

I've pretty well accomplished what I wanted with epley and I'm not surprised at his unwillingness to openly speak of those possible atrocities in his fellowship.

You accomplished nothing but to prove you're a gossip and a coward.

Originally Posted by seekerman

There has been legal ramifications with some....as it should be.

I'm not talking about legal ramifications for others....I'm talking about legal ramifications for you, for spreading libel based on hearsay and gossip. While there is such a thing as free speech, there is also such things as libel, slander and defamation.

Originally Posted by seekerman

Nope, I haven't personally attended their church. As I pointed out in my last post, I have relatives who have attended and I have experiences with those who attend such cult-like 'apostolic' churches. Of course I could name names. So could epley I suspect. I understand his unwillingness to name names and I also understand his unwillingness to speak openly and directly about those in his fellowship who practice such things....if any.

Oh, you could name names, but you haven't and say you won't. Again, a bunch of hearsay and gossip. You should be ashamed and embarrassed with your despicable behavior towards Rev. Epley.

Originally Posted by seekerman

Right, either it's the truth or it isn't. Either epley associates with some who practice such things, or he doesn't. Either that exists or it's a fabrication.

Epley skedaddled instead of answering. Others here have admitted that the practice has occurred but it wasn't a significant number who practiced such swill. The number, even is it's one (and it's not) isn't the issue. Who does it isn't the issue. The issue is concerning the truth of such a doctrine.

Epley Epley Epley. This isn't about Epley. This is about your allegation that there are graves of men, women, children, and infants who have allegedly died as a direct result of some minister's alleged doctrine. Contrary to providing any sort of proof or evidence to back up your claim, you've instead created more doubt by admitting that you've never, not once in your 40 years, visited or been in one of these churches. Everything you claim is hearsay and gossip.

Originally Posted by seekerman

Maybe that's why epley skedaddled instead of naming names. The thing is, i didn't ask him to name names.....just address the question if some of those which whom he fellowshipped had such occurrences in their church.

Alas, I guess we'll never hear from him again.

Looks like on more than one occasion, you in fact did request he identify, point out, etc those who believe this alleged doctrine.

[tv1a]

As I mentioned, he avoided the question every time it was brought up. My guess is after decades of making unchallenged statements, he got tired of people standing up to his bullying tactics and retreated to his comfort zone.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why bash brother Epley when he is not here to defend himself?

Starting to remind me of my old elementary schoolyard...

[n david]

Originally Posted by tv1a

As I mentioned, he avoided the question every time it was brought up. My guess is after decades of making unchallenged statements, he got tired of people standing up to his bullying tactics and retreated to his comfort zone.

We can see who the bully was here, and it wasn't Rev. Epley.

More likely he was following 2 Timothy 2:23 - "But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels."NASB

"Refuse to get involved in inane discussions; they always end up in fights." The Message

[returnman]

Wow, kind of torn a couple of directions. Guess I am one that has continued to stick around here even though I haven't been around OP for over 3 years now. Elder Steve Epley's posting are one's that I always looked forward to reading. I am actually surprised he didn't leave long before now since the forum has become mostly ex-pentecostal which does bring with it a lot of bashing at times.

Right now I feel that some finally tore down and picked apart a good man of God to the point where he had no choice but to leave. Anyone that justifies this based on what has transpired on this thread lacks wisdom as far as I am concerned......You lost a voice that you will never get back whether you liked him or not.

For us that knew and understood his viewpoints.......we rarely argued with him because he simply defended what he represented and we expected nothing less. Hope to catch him down the road.

[tv1a]

The only time Epley and I were on the same side was when the dogs came out salivating at the Memphis Mess. He suggested restraint. We know that didn't work. When dogs smell blood they go for the kill.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Yes, it IS a property of some of those who self-label themselves as 'apostolics'. You're attempting to make it an all or nothing thing and that's not what's being suggested at all. My point is that when you find those in oneness pentecostalism who practice allowing their children to suffer, and sometimes die, for lack of medical care, those people usually self-label themselves 'apostolic'. You personally may not believe such practices are 'apostolic' practices but if you ask those who do such things if they're 'apostolic', their answer would probably be in the affirmative. And, once again, the more conservative the self-labeled 'apostolic', the more likely you would find the practice of such things.

Im just pointing out the truth. It's not a property of being Apostolic. , otherwise we would all be doing it.

You changed from it being a property of SOME that are Apostolic to a property or practice of BEING apostolic

[tv1a]

History begs to differ with All trinitarians are List threads and lost as 2 queers kissing. He started inane discussions.

Originally Posted by n david

We can see who the bully was here, and it wasn't Rev. Epley.

More likely he was following 2 Timothy 2:23 - "But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels."NASB

"Refuse to get involved in inane discussions; they always end up in fights." The Message

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You know of those who do this then? Lots of people do.

Kudos for separating yourself from them. Some choose to turn a blind eye to the practice.

He didn't say he separated himself from them. He said he did not FIND any

[bishoph]

Ok, Ok Seekerman, let's get where the rubber meets the road. Since you say there are many yeah even great numbers of those who have died as a result of such doctrine.......how many do you know of personally that have died as a result of this doctrine? You have testified that you know of several groups that espouse to the doctrine in question.....out of those you know personally....how many children have been allowed to die suffering because they were denied medical attention due to their parents/their churches teaching?

This is the stuff the news media eats up.....cases have been reported and NONE of those to date that I have seen have been "apostolic." I realize that I do not have ALL knowledge of ALL such incidents.....however I do read the news extensively most days, and these incidents are MAYBE one/two every few years. (That is too many IMO)



So.........Seekerman.......the ball is in your court.....present your evidence and let's see if it really proves your accusations as true.