An Apology

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by n david

You have consistently posted about "men, women, children and infants" who have died and are in graves because of this alleged doctrine. It's semantics you're arguing. You still claim that a "large number" (ie mass) of people have died.

The only one exaggerating or lying is you.

So you lied when you said that I said "mass graves".

Glad we got that straight for I've never said such a thing.

Wait, why do you need Epley to name names? YOU made the accusations, not him. Cowardice? Afraid of legal repercussions if your hearsay isn't true?

I've pretty well accomplished what I wanted with epley and I'm not surprised at his unwillingness to openly speak of those possible atrocities in his fellowship.

Apparently you haven't read the comments of others on the forum which acknowledge such behavior. Some will say that it's such a few it doesn't matter, it's a fringe element, it's not worth bothering with. The NUMBER isn't the issue, the issue is if it's happening. And it has.

There has been legal ramifications with some....as it should be.

I address this towards the bottom...these would be ministers you've only heard of, but never actually were personally in attendance in their church. Guess that may be another reason you won't/can't name names.

Nope, I haven't personally attended their church. As I pointed out in my last post, I have relatives who have attended and I have experiences with those who attend such cult-like 'apostolic' churches. Of course I could name names. So could epley I suspect. I understand his unwillingness to name names and I also understand his unwillingness to speak openly and directly about those in his fellowship who practice such things....if any.

Well, the truth is the truth. Either you have it or you don't. In most cases, when people refuse to get specific about allegations, it's because they really don't have specifics. They're either spreading gossip and hearsay, or completely fabricating things.

Right, either it's the truth or it isn't. Either epley associates with some who practice such things, or he doesn't. Either that exists or it's a fabrication.

Epley skedaddled instead of answering. Others here have admitted that the practice has occurred but it wasn't a significant number who practiced such swill. The number, even is it's one (and it's not) isn't the issue. Who does it isn't the issue. The issue is concerning the truth of such a doctrine.

Again, looking to Epley to bail you out and name the names. Make bold statements, but when rubber meets the road, you have a flat.

Tell that to the others who have admitted such practices, however so small.

Tell me, how do you know of these alleged graves or Pastors who preach this alleged doctrine?

Relatives, seeing the graves, knowing the people personally who have suffered the results of such twisted doctrine in the self-labeled 'apostolic' sect.

Hearsay? There's another legal word used for people who make statements like you have (and perhaps it's the reason you're too afraid to personally name these people)...it's called libel.

Maybe that's why epley skedaddled instead of naming names. The thing is, i didn't ask him to name names.....just address the question if some of those which whom he fellowshipped had such occurrences in their church.

Alas, I guess we'll never hear from him again.