On physicians
1 Honor doctors for their services, since indeed the Lord created them. 2 Healing comes from the Most High, and the king will reward them. 3 The skill of doctors will make them eminent, and they will be admired in the presence of the great. 4 The Lord created medicines out of the earth, and a sensible person won't ignore them. 5 Wasn't water made sweet by means of wood so that the Lord's strength might be known? 6 And he endowed human beings with skill so that he would be glorified through his marvelous deeds. 7 With those medicines, the doctor cures and takes away pain. 8 Those who prepare ointments will make a compound out of them, and their work will never be finished, and well-being spreads over the whole world from them. 9 My child, when you are sick, don't look around elsewhere, but pray to the Lord, and he will heal you. 10 Stay far from error, direct your hands rightly, and cleanse your heart from all sin. 11 Offer a sweet-smelling sacrifice and a memorial of fine flour, and pour an offering of oil, using what you can afford. 12 And give doctors a place, because the Lord created them also, and don't let them leave you, because you indeed need them. 13 There's a time when success is in their hands as well. 14 They will also ask the Lord so that he might grant them rest and healing in order to preserve life. 15 May those who sin against their creator fall into the hands of a doctor.
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Blessed are the merciful for they SHALL obtain mercy.
Sounds like it has nothing to do with being Apostolic and more to do with being backwards socially.
My son (he's not a minor, by the way) refuses to take aspirin, tylenol, or other similar medications (cold medicine, etc). He says he'll just trust God, if God wants to heal him he will, if God chooses not to heal him that's God's business.
BTW, he's never had a headache in his life and doesn't really know what any of us are talking about if we complain of a headache.
He also doesn't get sick except very rarely, and if he does get cold or flu it always seems to only last a day or two.
He doesn't quit working because of being sick, either.
I don't believe that a parent has the right to deny a child necessary life-saving medical treatment in the name of religion or faith.
And although I agree, I also don't agree with the state mandating treatment that may be somewhat controversial. There can be a fine line here sometimes.
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
My son (he's not a minor, by the way) refuses to take aspirin, tylenol, or other similar medications (cold medicine, etc). He says he'll just trust God, if God wants to heal him he will, if God chooses not to heal him that's God's business.
BTW, he's never had a headache in his life and doesn't really know what any of us are talking about if we complain of a headache.
He also doesn't get sick except very rarely, and if he does get cold or flu it always seems to only last a day or two.
He doesn't quit working because of being sick, either.
Frankly, he's the healthiest of our bunch.
I used to refuse to take anything like that because I was trusting God, although I did not refuse everything on those grounds. I learned some things along the way. We should be critical thinkers and not just line up for the medical koolaid or the religious koolaid. We should try and think for ourselves. we will make mistakes. We all do but we should do our best.
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
Yes, but for the sake of the conversation, there's a big difference between an adult refusing medical care and a child being denied medical care. As an adult, if I choose to forgo medical care, even if that means I will die, that's still my choice. A child is in a more vulnerable position, and I don't believe a parent should "force faith" upon a child.
Yep.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I used to refuse to take anything like that because I was trusting God, although I did not refuse everything on those grounds. I learned some things along the way. We should be critical thinkers and not just line up for the medical koolaid or the religious koolaid. We should try and think for ourselves. we will make mistakes. We all do but we should do our best.
No koolaid involved, my son came to that conviction on his own.
I personally have NO problem downing a pair of aspirin when my head hurts.
I personally have NO problem downing a pair of aspirin when my head hurts.
Pain is an alarm system that God created to warn you of health problems.
When you take an aspirin, you are silencing the alarm, but the health problem remains.
If there is a fire, we do not disconnect the alarm and then think everything is fine. the correct action is that we take care of the fire.
an aspiring does absolutely nothing to fix the problem that created the headache.
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**Original Matthew 28:19 Restored**
And although I agree, I also don't agree with the state mandating treatment that may be somewhat controversial. There can be a fine line here sometimes.
I don't know. I'm not sure I comprehend parents refusing to try any kind of treatment that has the potential to save a terminal patient or significantly improve the life of a chronically ill patient. How far do parental rights extend?
My older sister had a baby born at 8 months (induced, because the baby had stopped moving) with spina bifida, and after only 3-4 days, the baby was removed from life support and allowed to die. However, that was only after the knowledgeable medical team agreed that there wasn't going to be any improvement and the action was recommended. If parents rushed into the NICU, saw that their sick baby was suffering and proceeded to make the independent decision to remove him from machines and let him die, what do you think the response should be? "They're the parents; it's their decision" or "Someone call security"?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
I don't know. I'm not sure I comprehend parents refusing to try any kind of treatment that has the potential to save a terminal patient or significantly improve the life of a chronically ill patient. How far do parental rights extend?
My older sister had a baby born at 8 months (induced, because the baby had stopped moving) with spina bifida, and after only 3-4 days, the baby was removed from life support and allowed to die. However, that was only after the knowledgeable medical team agreed that there wasn't going to be any improvement and the action was recommended. If parents rushed into the NICU, saw that their sick baby was suffering and proceeded to make the independent decision to remove him from machines and let him die, what do you think the response should be? "They're the parents; it's their decision" or "Someone call security"?
I am not sure. I waffle back and forth over this issue in my mind. To some extent it is not the parents right and yet, they love that child more than anyone else in the room, God gave those parents the rights and responsibilities of parenting that child and if they believe they are doing the right thing (which is different from parents who are doing drugs or something and are just nuts) is it right for our society to say "You must do this our way because we say so" even though the child could have a terrible reaction to the drugs they are being given etc.? When does it become a cultural value, to tell parents that they MUST have their child treated and have everything done medically when medicine has it's own shortcomings and flaws? What if a parent strongly believed in their heart that the treatment was wrong and the parent was right? Who is going to be responsible for that? What is wrong with trusting God as they did way back when? I am just not sure. I am not sure that it is right to force someone to conform.
With adults it is cut and dried. With children, it gets stickier. I have heard of children allowed to die for lack of medical attention. And yet, in a world that allows babies to be slaughtered in the womb, for them to come after parents who believe they are doing right by trusting God when they love that child more than anyone....it's a tough call.
I know about legalism first hand. And some are not trusting God, they are trusting their warped religion. And that's sad. But I still struggle with where to draw the line on this.
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
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