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Jesus Name 3-Stepper & Dress Standards (No Pants/Cut Hair/Make-Up for Women) 10 32.26%
Titles 3-Stepper & Dress Standards (No Pants/Cut Hair/Make-Up for Women) 1 3.23%
Jesus Name 3-Stepper & No Dress Standards 9 29.03%
Titles 3-Stepper & No Dress Standards 0 0%
Jesus Name 1-Stepper & Tongues Subsequent Experience for all believers 1 3.23%
Titles 1-Stepper & Tongues Subsequent Experience for all believers 2 6.45%
1 Stepper & No Tongues Necessary/Normal 8 25.81%
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Old 11-26-2013, 02:56 PM
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I think they define the butt/hip area too much, so I avoid them unless they're necessary for an activity. If possible, I think it's better to layer to cover that area of the body.

Pants can be immodest on men, too. I detest tight, skinny jeans, or overly tight pants of any kind. If a man is wearing tight pants and is sitting facing you, EVERYTHING is outlined--especially in dress pants. It's not pretty. However, women are curvier, and I think pants just...show the form of a woman more than a man, generally speaking.

These are just my personal opinions and practices, btw. I'm not discussing this from a scriptural point of view. I believe in being modest, and this is how I apply it.
I read a report once of a study that was done (I tried to find it today and haven't been able to thus far) in which they took a group of men and women and placed them in a room. They flashed images of women on the screen and asked the participants to record what they looked at first when they saw the image. Nearly 100% of all participants (men/women) stated that when a woman was in pants they were focused on her butt and legs....when she had a skirt/dress they were focused on her hair, clothing etc.

Even from the front, women in pants were looked at on the lower half first but when in dresses/skirts the face was first.
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I read a report once of a study that was done (I tried to find it today and haven't been able to thus far) in which they took a group of men and women and placed them in a room. They flashed images of women on the screen and asked the participants to record what they looked at first when they saw the image. Nearly 100% of all participants (men/women) stated that when a woman was in pants they were focused on her butt and legs....when she had a skirt/dress they were focused on her hair, clothing etc.

Even from the front, women in pants were looked at on the lower half first but when in dresses/skirts the face was first.
So does that mean men should wear skirts/dresses?
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So does that mean men should wear skirts/dresses?
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I read a report once of a study that was done (I tried to find it today and haven't been able to thus far) in which they took a group of men and women and placed them in a room. They flashed images of women on the screen and asked the participants to record what they looked at first when they saw the image. Nearly 100% of all participants (men/women) stated that when a woman was in pants they were focused on her butt and legs....when she had a skirt/dress they were focused on her hair, clothing etc.

Even from the front, women in pants were looked at on the lower half first but when in dresses/skirts the face was first.
I have a feeling you will never find that study. I have heard that claim all my life and find it absurd.

Of course if a woman has on skin tight pants I could see it drawing a man's attention but with a normal pair of pants on vs a normal skirt / dress I can tell you that for me and I would guess a lot of men, I am much more apt to be "drawn to" a woman's legs, hips, etc when she is wearing a dress.

If you want to perpetuate an extra biblical rule about women not wearing pants be my guest but don't use absurd rationales for it. (said in a kind but bemused way you can't see in my writing. Please don't take this as me being ugly).
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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I have a feeling you will never find that study. I have heard that claim all my life and find it absurd.

Of course if a woman has on skin tight pants I could see it drawing a man's attention but with a normal pair of pants on vs a normal skirt / dress I can tell you that for me and I would guess a lot of men, I am much more apt to be "drawn to" a woman's legs, hips, etc when she is wearing a dress.

If you want to perpetuate an extra biblical rule about women not wearing pants be my guest but don't use absurd rationales for it. (said in a kind but bemused way you can't see in my writing. Please don't take this as me being ugly).
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I have a feeling you will never find that study. I have heard that claim all my life and find it absurd.

Of course if a woman has on skin tight pants I could see it drawing a man's attention but with a normal pair of pants on vs a normal skirt / dress I can tell you that for me and I would guess a lot of men, I am much more apt to be "drawn to" a woman's legs, hips, etc when she is wearing a dress.

If you want to perpetuate an extra biblical rule about women not wearing pants be my guest but don't use absurd rationales for it. (said in a kind but bemused way you can't see in my writing. Please don't take this as me being ugly).
CC1 with all due respect, can you tell me why through history women's attire was a dress instead of men wearing a dress? I mean if you look at the whole first century robe discussion (most Christians believe they wore something like bathrobes) most of your unisex attire Christians claim both genders pretty much looked the same. Therefore why did the women end up with the dress? I honestly would like your thoughts on this question.
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CC1 with all due respect, can you tell me why through history women's attire was a dress instead of men wearing a dress? I mean if you look at the whole first century robe discussion (most Christians believe they wore something like bathrobes) most of your unisex attire Christians claim both genders pretty much looked the same. Therefore why did the women end up with the dress? I honestly would like your thoughts on this question.
I think the men abandoned the robes in favor of what we now call pantyhose, for at least a couple centuries.
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I think the men abandoned the robes in favor of what we now call pantyhose, for at least a couple centuries.
They abandoned bath robes for pantyhose for at least a couple a centuries?

Didn't they wear pants with their stockings?

You know men still wear those pantyhose, aren't they called dress socks?
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CC1 with all due respect, can you tell me why through history women's attire was a dress instead of men wearing a dress? I mean if you look at the whole first century robe discussion (most Christians believe they wore something like bathrobes) most of your unisex attire Christians claim both genders pretty much looked the same. Therefore why did the women end up with the dress? I honestly would like your thoughts on this question.
Men and women both wore "robes" but they were distinct in pattern. As clothing evolved, men's "robes" turned into skirts mostly while women wore long flowery dresses.

This was convenient since men rode horses, fought in wars and did a lot of the physical demanding work.

However in cultures where women DID do more of that sort of activity, they dressed differently. Look at the pictures of Amazon women and they dressed unlike European women in their long dresses.

That is why Roman Centurions wore short skirts, to be able to move about faster.

Pants were just a natural evolution of being able to be covered yet still move about freely

When Roman men were wearing skirts, Persians had already been wearing pants


Trousers first enter recorded history in the 6th century BCE, with the appearance of horse-riding Iranian peoples in Greek ethnography. At this time, not only the Persians, but also allied Eastern and Central Asian peoples such as the Bactrians, Armenians, Tigraxauda Scythians and Xiongnu Hunnu, are known to have worn them.[5][6] Trousers are believed to have been worn by both sexes among these early users

The ancient Greeks used the term "ἀναξυρίδες" (anaxyrides) for the trousers worn by Eastern nations[8] and "σαράβαρα" (sarabara) for the loose trousers worn by the Scythians.[9] However, they did not wear trousers since they thought them ridiculous,[10][11] using the word "θύλακοι" (thulakoi), pl. of "θύλακος" (thulakos), "sack", as a slang term for the loose trousers of Persians and other orientals.[12]


Republican Rome viewed the draped clothing of Greek and Minoan (Cretan) culture as an emblem of civilization and disdained trousers as the mark of barbarians.[13] As the Empire expanded beyond the Mediterranean basin, however, the greater warmth provided by trousers led to their adoption.[14] Two types of trousers eventually saw widespread use in Rome: the Feminalia, which fit snugly and usually fell to knee or mid-calf length,[15] and the Braccae, a loose-fitting trouser that was closed at the ankles.[16] Both garments were adopted originally from the Celts of Europe, although later familiarity with the Persian Near East and the Teutons increased acceptance. Feminalia and Braccae both began use as military garments, spreading to civilian dress later, and were eventually made in a variety of materials including leather, wool, cotton and silk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trousers#Prehistory
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