Is There A Difference In?

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by n david

Yes, there's a difference; but also we should stop equating holiness with dress standards. It's a disservice to the subject of Holiness to simply make it about dress standards.

Mention "Holiness standards" in the average UPC church and the overwhelming majority of people will think "dress standards." It's so much more than personal opinion and gripes about what people wear.

Yes it is n david, but it is offensive when people who do these things, and look so nice, are subjected to rude comments. For example, if someone wants to dress in Modest attire, why should that offend anyone, and give them cause to make ugly remarks?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

Yes it is n david, but it is offensive when people who do these things, and look so nice, are subjected to rude comments. For example, if someone wants to dress in Modest attire, why should that offend anyone, and give them cause to make ugly remarks?

That goes both ways. Have you ever made ugly remarks about a woman in slacks?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

Yes it is n david, but it is offensive when people who do these things, and look so nice, are subjected to rude comments. For example, if someone wants to dress in Modest attire, why should that offend anyone, and give them cause to make ugly remarks?

It shouldn't offend. I've heard and read remarks like this before:

Originally Posted by obriencp

Yes we are to be separate and holy, but to say we should stand out solely based on our out-dated attire can be a slippery slope of ignoring the inner man while adorning the outward. You can dress modestly without looking like you stepped out of a time machine.

It's unfair to paint with a broad brush. I have seen very, very few UPC women wearing out-dated attire or look like they've stepped out of a time machine. It's not to say I haven't seen them, but it's very rare. So suggesting that because someone believes in dress standards is out of date or unfashionable is not entirely accurate.

[obriencp]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

Is that how you feel about our Ladies, that they go around in OUT-Dated Attire? Our ladies look very nice and up to date. We may be from the south, but we do not look like Old Time washer women, and this post is very offensive to those of us who still choose to wear skirts.

Do these people look as if they are dressing in Out Dated Attire, or do they look like happy Christians, who joy in serving God?

Originally Posted by n david

It shouldn't offend. I've heard and read remarks like this before:



It's unfair to paint with a broad brush. I have seen very, very few UPC women wearing out-dated attire or look like they've stepped out of a time machine. It's not to say I haven't seen them, but it's very rare. So suggesting that because someone believes in dress standards is out of date or unfashionable is not entirely accurate.

I apologize for making a broad statement that has offended. Honestly, I did not mean to offend and the pics that Miss Scarlett posted show beautiful people that are dressed modestly and in current trends. Please accept my apologies.

The point I was trying to make is that some are too concerned with how to appear different from the world. If we want to stand out that kind of goes against modesty in that it is immodest if we stand out too much. The skirt wearing women of the 1950's didn't stand out in an obvious manner whereas sometimes they do now.

I agree that we shouldn't tie certain 'holiness' standards to salvation and judge solely on hair/skirt length, make-up, jewelry, etc.

Again, I apologize for my insensitive comments.

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by obriencp

I apologize for making a broad statement that has offended. Honestly, I did not mean to offend and the pics that Miss Scarlett posted show beautiful people that are dressed modestly and in current trends. Please accept my apologies.

The point I was trying to make is that some are too concerned with how to appear different from the world. If we want to stand out that kind of goes against modesty in that it is immodest if we stand out too much. The skirt wearing women of the 1950's didn't stand out in an obvious manner whereas sometimes they do now.

I agree that we shouldn't tie certain 'holiness' standards to salvation and judge solely on hair/skirt length, make-up, jewelry, etc.

Again, I apologize for my insensitive comments.

Thank you very much, your apology is accepted and very much appreciated. I did not start this thread to start any type rudeness or name calling. I never mentioned that our dress was a heaven or hell issue, I guess it was just assumed. Enough said on this post.