Is There A Difference In?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

A Pastor teaching a standard of Holiness.....or
A Pastor teaching on a Holiness standard of dress?

Yes. There is a difference.

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by obriencp

If a strict holiness woman was walking around in the 1950's, she'd look no different than most women of the time. Does that mean because she didn't stand out then, she wasn't saved? Modesty could also be defined as not standing out.

Yes we are to be separate and holy, but to say we should stand out solely based on our out-dated attire can be a slippery slope of ignoring the inner man while adorning the outward. You can dress modestly without looking like you stepped out of a time machine.

Is that how you feel about our Ladies, that they go around in OUT-Dated Attire? Our ladies look very nice and up to date. We may be from the south, but we do not look like Old Time washer women, and this post is very offensive to those of us who still choose to wear skirts.

Do these people look as if they are dressing in Out Dated Attire, or do they look like happy Christians, who joy in serving God?

[KeptByTheWord]

I think a woman in a modest, loose fitting skirt with long hair is beautiful. I have no problem with some of the clothing "standards" the OP holds.

The problem is that they do not think a woman can look modest in anything but a skirt, which is where my husband and I disagree with this mindset.

This is not a Biblical principle, only personal preference which has been embraced by the OP as a whole. If you think women look best in a skirt, than by all means, wear only a skirt. But don't judge someone who doesn't share the same conviction or preference as you.

Dressing/attire/hair really should be a personal conviction and application of principle set forth by the husband of the household, as Biblical authority shows... God-Christ-husband-wife-family. And the standards should not be taught as salvational.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

A Pastor teaching a standard of Holiness.....or
A Pastor teaching on a Holiness standard of dress?

Yes, there's a difference; but also we should stop equating holiness with dress standards. It's a disservice to the subject of Holiness to simply make it about dress standards.

Mention "Holiness standards" in the average UPC church and the overwhelming majority of people will think "dress standards." It's so much more than personal opinion and gripes about what people wear.

[n david]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I think a woman in a modest, loose fitting skirt with long hair is beautiful. I have no problem with some of the clothing "standards" the OP holds.

The problem is that they do not think a woman can look modest in anything but a skirt, which is where my husband and I disagree with this mindset.

This is not a Biblical principle, only personal preference which has been embraced by the OP as a whole. If you think women look best in a skirt, than by all means, wear only a skirt. But don't judge someone who doesn't share the same conviction or preference as you.

Dressing/attire/hair really should be a personal conviction and application of principle set forth by the husband of the household, as Biblical authority shows... God-Christ-husband-wife-family. And the standards should not be taught as salvational.

I agree. One objection I have to the UPC dress standards is that it's tied to salvation. Another is this ridiculous notion that dresses are the only modest apparel for women. Simply untrue.

I believe saints should be modest, and it should be discussed in churches. Not with rules and regulations, but just the overall concept of modesty.

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by n david

Yes, there's a difference; but also we should stop equating holiness with dress standards. It's a disservice to the subject of Holiness to simply make it about dress standards.

Mention "Holiness standards" in the average UPC church and the overwhelming majority of people will think "dress standards." It's so much more than personal opinion and gripes about what people wear.

Yes it is n david, but it is offensive when people who do these things, and look so nice, are subjected to rude comments. For example, if someone wants to dress in Modest attire, why should that offend anyone, and give them cause to make ugly remarks?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by n david

Yes, there's a difference; but also we should stop equating holiness with dress standards. It's a disservice to the subject of Holiness to simply make it about dress standards.

Mention "Holiness standards" in the average UPC church and the overwhelming majority of people will think "dress standards." It's so much more than personal opinion and gripes about what people wear.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by n david

I agree. One objection I have to the UPC dress standards is that it's tied to salvation. Another is this ridiculous notion that dresses are the only modest apparel for women. Simply untrue.

I believe saints should be modest, and it should be discussed in churches. Not with rules and regulations, but just the overall concept of modesty.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

Yes it is n david, but it is offensive when people who do these things, and look so nice, are subjected to rude comments. For example, if someone wants to dress in Modest attire, why should that offend anyone, and give them cause to make ugly remarks?

That goes both ways. Have you ever made ugly remarks about a woman in slacks?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

Yes it is n david, but it is offensive when people who do these things, and look so nice, are subjected to rude comments. For example, if someone wants to dress in Modest attire, why should that offend anyone, and give them cause to make ugly remarks?

It shouldn't offend. I've heard and read remarks like this before:

Originally Posted by obriencp

Yes we are to be separate and holy, but to say we should stand out solely based on our out-dated attire can be a slippery slope of ignoring the inner man while adorning the outward. You can dress modestly without looking like you stepped out of a time machine.

It's unfair to paint with a broad brush. I have seen very, very few UPC women wearing out-dated attire or look like they've stepped out of a time machine. It's not to say I haven't seen them, but it's very rare. So suggesting that because someone believes in dress standards is out of date or unfashionable is not entirely accurate.