End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

The "exact" words cannot be found because it is written in GREEK not English. But you knew that so this is simply a straw man argument - a very poor straw man argument at that. The Elderly Women were to teach the younger women - not give expositions in the synagogue or elsewhere.

Are you aware of the division within the synagogues? Men and women were separated and men always gave the exposition. The church was born out of the synagogue. The Corinthian church, for example, was born out of the synagogue (Acts 18:8).

The exact words in the English aren't there either, right? Not even close. Really, if Paul meant women are to be silent, then they cannot speak at all, no singing, no praying. One cannot take his own interpretation and make excuses for some speaking or singing but not others when scripture doesn't say that.

Anna resided in the temple and spoke to congregations. Congregation made up of men and women. She didn't write out a speech. She didn't give an expose on a subject she studied. She did what the prophets did. She was no different than they. In addition to the other female examples we have in scripture, one honestly cannot negate their 'position', if you will, in sharing the Gospel.

I think we Americanize the Bible too much. We think Paul had multiple church buildings complete with cushy seats and sound systems and sweaty slobbering preachers in the pulpits. I don't believe 'church' was much else than a gathering of people, whether or not in a building, interested in hearing about Jesus, regardless if it was a man or woman speaking it.

Many of Paul's letter were directed at the politics of the church...how they should run, having order, not taking things in vain or for granted, and for those in the service of Christ should be people who were upstanding and righteous. I believe this to be the same as it should be today.

The fact remains, however, 'church' is people, it's not a building. Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered..." He didn't mention a building. He didn't mention who should be leading.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

The exact words in the English aren't there either, right? Not even close. Really, if Paul meant women are to be silent, then they cannot speak at all, no singing, no praying. One cannot take his own interpretation and make excuses for some speaking or singing but not others when scripture doesn't say that.

Anna resided in the temple and spoke to congregations. Congregation made up of men and women. She didn't write out a speech. She didn't give an expose on a subject she studied. She did what the prophets did. She was no different than they. In addition to the other female examples we have in scripture, one honestly cannot negate their 'position', if you will, in sharing the Gospel.

I think we Americanize the Bible too much. We think Paul had multiple church buildings complete with cushy seats and sound systems and sweaty slobbering preachers in the pulpits. I don't believe 'church' was much else than a gathering of people, whether or not in a building, interested in hearing about Jesus, regardless if it was a man or woman speaking it.

Many of Paul's letter were directed at the politics of the church...how they should run, having order, not taking things in vain or for granted, and for those in the service of Christ should be people who were upstanding and righteous. I believe this to be the same as it should be today.

The fact remains, however, 'church' is people, it's not a building. Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered..." He didn't mention a building. He didn't mention who should be leading.

Please document the assertion that Anna spoke out in the formal setting of a congregational setting. A setting of both men and women.

No one is trying to "negate" the sharing of the Gospel. Everyone doe take part in being witnesses but not everyone gets up an preaches.

The churches were largely house churches and being Jewish in origin, these Jew often met in Synagogues until the Synagogues were closed to Christians and tests put in place to rid the synagogue of Christians. Due to this church services are similar in some ways with the synagogue. I should add that in other ways church is far different than synagogue. For example, there is no life in a synagogue service because there is no Spirit.

Of the similarities they have a book (scroll in Bible days) that is read from and a man provides an exposition of the written word. In church there is a Bishop, the husband of 1 wife, that reads the scriptures and gives an exposition.

As to the "we Americanize the Bible too much" may be a confession of sorts but the men I know look for the truth regardless of cultural concerns. However, the point that we should recognize is that there is a difference in culture and time between now and then. Part of the church order Paul addressed was the qualifications for Bishops and Deacons.

It is true the church is composed of people not construction materials. And like any other construction project everything must be done decently and in order. Paul gave instructions for the order by ordering the qualifications for Bishops etc. Everything requires organization. Acts 20 gives insight into the heartbeat of Paul. He calls for the elder's of the church (v. 17) and then proceeds to tell them his course of life and how he went from house to house and publicly teaching Christ. He goes on and in v.28 states that the Holy Ghost had made them "overseer's" [same word as translated Bishop in 1 Tim.] and that they were to feed the church of God. There is a difference between being a witness and having the responsibility to feed the church. This is the domain of the man according to Paul.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Please document the assertion that Anna spoke out in the formal setting of a congregational setting. A setting of both men and women.

Luke 2:36And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

37And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.

38And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

Unless you are wanting to state that those people spoken of in verse 38 were only women..."them" refers to both men and women. She spoke to them about Jesus. This passage doesn't state how many were present or what all she told them or how long she spoke. I wish I'd been there to know and hear.

No one is trying to "negate" the sharing of the Gospel. Everyone doe take part in being witnesses but not everyone gets up an preaches.

The churches were largely house churches and being Jewish in origin, these Jew often met in Synagogues until the Synagogues were closed to Christians and tests put in place to rid the synagogue of Christians. Due to this church services are similar in some ways with the synagogue. I should add that in other ways church is far different than synagogue. For example, there is no life in a synagogue service because there is no Spirit.

Of the similarities they have a book (scroll in Bible days) that is read from and a man provides an exposition of the written word. In church there is a Bishop, the husband of 1 wife, that reads the scriptures and gives an exposition.

As to the "we Americanize the Bible too much" may be a confession of sorts but the men I know look for the truth regardless of cultural concerns. However, the point that we should recognize is that there is a difference in culture and time between now and then. Part of the church order Paul addressed was the qualifications for Bishops and Deacons.

It is true the church is composed of people not construction materials. And like any other construction project everything must be done decently and in order. Paul gave instructions for the order by ordering the qualifications for Bishops etc. Everything requires organization. Acts 20 gives insight into the heartbeat of Paul. He calls for the elder's of the church (v. 17) and then proceeds to tell them his course of life and how he went from house to house and publicly teaching Christ. He goes on and in v.28 states that the Holy Ghost had made them "overseer's" [same word as translated Bishop in 1 Tim.] and that they were to feed the church of God. There is a difference between being a witness and having the responsibility to feed the church. This is the domain of the man according to Paul.

I agree with most of what you wrote. The difference is, you are speaking merely of Pastors and Bishops. This thread is about women preaching AT ALL. That has nothing to do with what you posted above, most of which, as I stated, I agree with.

What is 'preaching'?

It's sharing the gospel. Simple. Preaching doesn't make one a preacher anymore than teaching makes one a teacher.

[Praxeas]

Have there been any anointed female preachers?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Luke 2:36And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

37And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.

38And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

Unless you are wanting to state that those people spoken of in verse 38 were only women..."them" refers to both men and women. She spoke to them about Jesus. This passage doesn't state how many were present or what all she told them or how long she spoke. I wish I'd been there to know and hear.



I agree with most of what you wrote. The difference is, you are speaking merely of Pastors and Bishops. This thread is about women preaching AT ALL. That has nothing to do with what you posted above, most of which, as I stated, I agree with.

What is 'preaching'?

It's sharing the gospel. Simple. Preaching doesn't make one a preacher anymore than teaching makes one a teacher.

RWP
One Anna a prophetess (Hanna prophētis). The word prophētis occurs in the N.T. only here and Rev_2:20. In old Greek writers it means a woman who interprets oracles. The long parenthesis into Luk_2:37 tells of her great age. Montefiore makes it 106 as she was 15 when married, married 7 years, a widow 84.

The title she is given is of one who "interprets" oracles. The "speaking" is in regards to the title explicitly given.

VWS:
Spake
Not a public utterance, for which the words, those that waited, etc., would be inappropriate. It was to the pious ones who were with her in the temple, waiting for the Messiah.

If these were "with" her then this would have been those of the women due to the division between men and women in the temple and the synagogue.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Luke 2:36And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

37And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.

38And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

Unless you are wanting to state that those people spoken of in verse 38 were only women..."them" refers to both men and women. She spoke to them about Jesus. This passage doesn't state how many were present or what all she told them or how long she spoke. I wish I'd been there to know and hear.



I agree with most of what you wrote. The difference is, you are speaking merely of Pastors and Bishops. This thread is about women preaching AT ALL. That has nothing to do with what you posted above, most of which, as I stated, I agree with.

What is 'preaching'?

It's sharing the gospel. Simple. Preaching doesn't make one a preacher anymore than teaching makes one a teacher.

Hmmm, must've missed where Anna expounded from the Scriptures to men in the temple - as do modern-day "women-preachers" (so I'm told) ???