End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

The exact words in the English aren't there either, right? Not even close. Really, if Paul meant women are to be silent, then they cannot speak at all, no singing, no praying. One cannot take his own interpretation and make excuses for some speaking or singing but not others when scripture doesn't say that.

Anna resided in the temple and spoke to congregations. Congregation made up of men and women. She didn't write out a speech. She didn't give an expose on a subject she studied. She did what the prophets did. She was no different than they. In addition to the other female examples we have in scripture, one honestly cannot negate their 'position', if you will, in sharing the Gospel.

I think we Americanize the Bible too much. We think Paul had multiple church buildings complete with cushy seats and sound systems and sweaty slobbering preachers in the pulpits. I don't believe 'church' was much else than a gathering of people, whether or not in a building, interested in hearing about Jesus, regardless if it was a man or woman speaking it.

Many of Paul's letter were directed at the politics of the church...how they should run, having order, not taking things in vain or for granted, and for those in the service of Christ should be people who were upstanding and righteous. I believe this to be the same as it should be today.

The fact remains, however, 'church' is people, it's not a building. Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered..." He didn't mention a building. He didn't mention who should be leading.

Please document the assertion that Anna spoke out in the formal setting of a congregational setting. A setting of both men and women.

No one is trying to "negate" the sharing of the Gospel. Everyone doe take part in being witnesses but not everyone gets up an preaches.

The churches were largely house churches and being Jewish in origin, these Jew often met in Synagogues until the Synagogues were closed to Christians and tests put in place to rid the synagogue of Christians. Due to this church services are similar in some ways with the synagogue. I should add that in other ways church is far different than synagogue. For example, there is no life in a synagogue service because there is no Spirit.

Of the similarities they have a book (scroll in Bible days) that is read from and a man provides an exposition of the written word. In church there is a Bishop, the husband of 1 wife, that reads the scriptures and gives an exposition.

As to the "we Americanize the Bible too much" may be a confession of sorts but the men I know look for the truth regardless of cultural concerns. However, the point that we should recognize is that there is a difference in culture and time between now and then. Part of the church order Paul addressed was the qualifications for Bishops and Deacons.

It is true the church is composed of people not construction materials. And like any other construction project everything must be done decently and in order. Paul gave instructions for the order by ordering the qualifications for Bishops etc. Everything requires organization. Acts 20 gives insight into the heartbeat of Paul. He calls for the elder's of the church (v. 17) and then proceeds to tell them his course of life and how he went from house to house and publicly teaching Christ. He goes on and in v.28 states that the Holy Ghost had made them "overseer's" [same word as translated Bishop in 1 Tim.] and that they were to feed the church of God. There is a difference between being a witness and having the responsibility to feed the church. This is the domain of the man according to Paul.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In California a woman can be the husband of one wife

No doubt the same could be said of Sodom...

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Roxanne Murphy, did you know Sister Farmer?

I did not know her personally but she was a big part of the founding of the UPC church in Hood River, OR. Her son Art Farmer was the best man at one of my friends' wedding back in 1997 (in fact, the groom in the wedding is also a relative, grandson I believe). But the truth is, there is a church in that community because a woman full of the Holy Ghost with a burden to reach souls went there and started a work, preached the gospel and God in His faithfulness honored her labors.
Did you know her personally?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Sasha

What do you know? Aren't you a woman?

This was really aimed towards the men fighting this...guess I wasn't clear on that. I have no idea what these men think they are gaining.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by ILG

This was really aimed towards the men fighting this...guess I wasn't clear on that. I have no idea what these men think they are gaining.

Standing upon the word of God. I have no idea why women want to be men...

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In California a woman can be the husband of one wife

And many other states as well!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Standing upon the word of God. I have no idea why women want to be men...

Not one woman here has said she wants to be a man. Good grief!

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

When teaching/preaching scripture you are expounding upon what was written. It is not giving forth the "thus saith the Lord" although that could happen in a message. The message is the direction God gives the Bishop for the service based upon scriptural principles.

I'm still not following you. If the Word of God is the Bible, and we are all commanded to share the Gospel, which is also the Word of God, what does 'thus saith the Lord' have to do with anything, especially considering that wordspeak came about in the 17th century?

But let's say giving forth a 'thus saith the Lord' is something that comes with giving a Word from God. I'm not sure why you seem to think expounding on scripture is different, considering that scripture is the very Word of God.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Uhhh... Still no reference? 1984 is not a reference. Perhaps the copy and paste missed it? The point is you said bishop was feminine. I just want the source for my own personal edification. The context always determines definition.

1984 is the Strong's number. I also said that it seems to indicate the office of the Bishop.

[Roxanne Murphy]

Said by rdp, the dude who posts in blue from multiple translations of the same two verses:

A saved woman has absolutely no business interacting with an unsaved sinner on a continued basis - especially when there are innumerable men in the church who can & should perform the job.

I am not sure where in the universe this fellow lives or practices his vocation, but in most of the United States of America, women are part of the work force. I am one such woman. I am married to a Holy Ghost filled, hard working man who lost his employment thanks to the nasty economy. This same man, my spiritual head, has encouraged by continuing education and my professional growth. He is not threatened or in doubt about who is the head of our family, and neither am I. That is his responsibility before God. And as I am able to help provide material needs until his employment status changes, that is what I do. I am a nurse manager in a memory care community, so I interact with numerous 'unsaved sinners' (tell me, are there also 'saved sinners' around, or 'unsaved saints') on a daily basis. Some are my subordinates by nature of the responsibility of the job I hold; some are my professional associates: doctors, therapists, account managers for supplies and materials and the IT systems we use; many are family members and friends of the people for whom I ensure care every day. For this time and season, by God's plan and purpose, this is my field of labor, and my area of influence. When I have opportunity to talk to somebody about Jesus, I do so. It is entirely hogwash to spout some nonsense about 'innumerable men in the church who can & should perform the job'.

But please, carry on in your own world, created by your own misinterpretation of scripture, complete with your own definitions of positions and callings. It seems to be what gives you your self-worth, and as a licensed healthcare professional, I do wish for you to be comfortable and happy. Be ye comforted, sir!