End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

Miriam is the 1st woman in scripture given the title of prophetess. She is alongside her 2 brothers in ministry and has a God ordained position of great authority.
SThe Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament says the word prophesy means:

proclaim God’s message, preach; prophesy, predict… An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Lexicon says prophesy means: in N.T. to expound scripture, to speak and preach under the influence of the Holy Spirit. The Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon writes this about the word prophesy:to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation. To break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels. Like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others...

So that would be ok? Lol....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Miriam is the 1st woman in scripture given the title of prophetess. She is alongside her 2 brothers in ministry and has a God ordained position of great authority.
SThe Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament says the word prophesy means:

proclaim God’s message, preach; prophesy, predict… An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Lexicon says prophesy means: in N.T. to expound scripture, to speak and preach under the influence of the Holy Spirit.


LOL - No, prophesy does NOT mean "in N.T. to expound Scripture" - & I've asked been asking you for years to demonstrate this "in the N.T. (or even OT for that matter):____________?


Still waiting .




The Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon writes this about the word prophesy:to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation. To break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels. Like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others...


*Sigh* - This is exactly what we;ve been telling you for almost 100 pp. now - Prophecy is NOT a sermon from the Scriptures - never has been & never will be !



So that would be ok? Lol....

Ummm, of course women can "break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels" - And?? What on earth does this have to do with "preaching-teaching" sermons to men in the church contra I Timothy 2.11-3.15 & I Cor. 14.34 (just to name a couple) ?


Explain it away until doomsday - it'll still be there !

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Miriam is the 1st woman in scripture given the title of prophetess. She is alongside her 2 brothers in ministry and has a God ordained position of great authority.
SThe Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament says the word prophesy means:

proclaim God’s message, preach; prophesy, predict… An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Lexicon says prophesy means: in N.T. to expound scripture, to speak and preach under the influence of the Holy Spirit. The Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon writes this about the word prophesy:to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation. To break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels. Like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others...

So that would be ok? Lol....

Concerning Miriam, she did have a God ordained ministry - to WOMEN:
(Exo 15:20 KJV) And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.


When she sought to usurp authority from Moses, a man, she was struck with leprosy:

(Num 12:1 KJV) And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
(Num 12:2 KJV) And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.
(Num 12:3 KJV) (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
(Num 12:4 KJV) And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.
(Num 12:5 KJV) And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
(Num 12:6 KJV) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
(Num 12:7 KJV) My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
(Num 12:8 KJV) With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
(Num 12:9 KJV) And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
(Num 12:10 KJV) And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.


She indeed have a ministry to women and when she stepped out of that ministry into a mans ministry the anger of God was kindled against her...

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Concerning Miriam, she did have a God ordained ministry - to WOMEN:
(Exo 15:20 KJV) And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.


When she sought to usurp authority from Moses, a man, she was struck with leprosy:

(Num 12:1 KJV) And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
(Num 12:2 KJV) And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.
(Num 12:3 KJV) (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
(Num 12:4 KJV) And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.
(Num 12:5 KJV) And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
(Num 12:6 KJV) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
(Num 12:7 KJV) My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
(Num 12:8 KJV) With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
(Num 12:9 KJV) And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
(Num 12:10 KJV) And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.


She indeed have a ministry to women and when she stepped out of that ministry into a mans ministry the anger of God was kindled against her...

So a men's ministry is to murmur against and gossip about somebody's wife? Seriously? You boys can have that 'ministry'!

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

So a men's ministry is to murmur against and gossip about somebody's wife? Seriously? You boys can have that 'ministry'!

No wonder you believe in women preachers. No sense of context. No sense of accurately listening to what is said. Only an emotional appeal...

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by Pliny

No wonder you believe in women preachers. No sense of context. No sense of accurately listening to what is said. Only an emotional appeal...

I think I see how this works. If you get caught trying to make scripture say what you want it to say, that is 'emotional appeal.'
I just have to ask: what is it in this passage that makes you say Miriam was trying to usurp a man's ministry? She and her brother Aaron were doing what I have sadly heard many preachers and preachers' wives do at the restaurant after a conference service: they were talking trash about Moses, their little brother, because of his non Jewish wife.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

I think I see how this works. If you get caught trying to make scripture say what you want it to say, that is 'emotional appeal.'
I just have to ask: what is it in this passage that makes you say Miriam was trying to usurp a man's ministry? She and her brother Aaron were doing what I have sadly heard many preachers and preachers' wives do at the restaurant after a conference service: they were talking trash about Moses, their little brother, because of his non Jewish wife.

You have no idea what you are talking about. An emotional appeal is when a person appeals to "emotion" to argue their point. This has been done repeatedly by ladies on this thread. Whether they be personal anecdotes or other they are an appeal to emotion. Politicians do this a lot.

Now for the 2nd part of your post:
(Num 12:2 KJV) And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.

They, that would be Miriam and Aaron, were usurping the role of Moses and said "hath Lord indeed ONLY spoken by Moses? Miriam was saying I don't have to listen to Moses because bless God I can hear from God myself! Indeed has God ONLY spoken to Moses?!?! He has spoken to me too; therefore, there is no need to listen to him. Due to the judgment of God falling upon Miriam and not Aaron I believe Miriam was the ring leader. Miriam was in fact usurping authority.

This is a danger we must all contend with. As God uses us it is easy to feel like we don't need a preacher. After all does God speak to the preacher alone? Tragically many have gotten cross wise because they believe they know better than the Moses God has placed in our lives.

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by Pliny

You have no idea what you are talking about. An emotional appeal is when a person appeals to "emotion" to argue their point. This has been done repeatedly by ladies on this thread. Whether they be personal anecdotes or other they are an appeal to emotion. Politicians do this a lot.

Now for the 2nd part of your post:
(Num 12:2 KJV) And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.

They, that would be Miriam and Aaron, were usurping the role of Moses and said "hath Lord indeed ONLY spoken by Moses? Miriam was saying I don't have to listen to Moses because bless God I can hear from God myself! Indeed has God ONLY spoken to Moses?!?! He has spoken to me too; therefore, there is no need to listen to him. Due to the judgment of God falling upon Miriam and not Aaron I believe Miriam was the ring leader. Miriam was in fact usurping authority.

This is a danger we must all contend with. As God uses us it is easy to feel like we don't need a preacher. After all does God speak to the preacher alone? Tragically many have gotten cross wise because they believe they know better than the Moses God has placed in our lives.

So it was then okay for Aaron to say these things, speak against the man of God?

And let us look a little more closely at this story, shall we?

And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
[2] And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.
[3] (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
[4] And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.
[5] And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
[6] And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
[7] My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
[8] With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
[9] And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
[10] And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.
[11] And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned.
[12] Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother's womb.
[13] And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee.

God told both Aaron and Miriam that they were wrong to speak against Moses, AND, Aaron also acknowledged that he was just as guilty as his sister was. I believe that the ONLY reason why Aaron did not also end up with leprosy was that he was so quick to have a repentant heart, and that this spared him and his sister from a judgment that was fatal. Instead, Miriam had to bear the shame of having been touched by leprosy for a week, then the whole congregation was able to move on.