End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I really feel like we walk in truth...I do not appreciate a couple of the remarks by RDP however no hard feelings on my part. I will keep doing what God has had me to do for the past century...I have never lost the wonder that HE CALLED...

I cannot respond to that as it is between you and RDP. I know I have read multiple times where he has publicly stated on this thread that he honors your sacrifice.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

You sound like someone else I know...No need to compare a women that God uses with a donkey...But if you want to go to a zoo that is fine with me...just come to Brazil I will take you to the jungle....lots of animals there with the wild indians...

I have been to jungles already... FTR I was not comparing women to donkeys I was comparing logic. If you took it that way you took it wrong. I have not attacked women nor intend to do so. I have nothing but respect and admiration for godly women. Their price if far above rubies...

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

some have stated they have no problem with a woman prophet but have problems with a woman preacher...that seems so odd to me....

Another appeal to emotion...



I don't have time to continue this. As an ordained minister I have a responsibility to stand for truth. Also, I don't get all ruffled over women that think they are called to preach. I disagree based upon biblical principles but in the end I have to much here to do to wonder about what is happening somewhere else. This is what comes to my mind at the end of the day:

(Luk 9:49 KJV) And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
(Luk 9:50 KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.


I pray the Lord of the harvest sends forth laborers into His harvest because eternity is too long to be wrong. Eternity will sort it all out but I must when confronted with the question take a biblical stand.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Miriam is the 1st woman in scripture given the title of prophetess. She is alongside her 2 brothers in ministry and has a God ordained position of great authority.
SThe Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament says the word prophesy means:

proclaim God’s message, preach; prophesy, predict… An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Lexicon says prophesy means: in N.T. to expound scripture, to speak and preach under the influence of the Holy Spirit. The Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon writes this about the word prophesy:to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation. To break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels. Like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others...

So that would be ok? Lol....

Concerning Miriam, she did have a God ordained ministry - to WOMEN:
(Exo 15:20 KJV) And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.


When she sought to usurp authority from Moses, a man, she was struck with leprosy:

(Num 12:1 KJV) And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
(Num 12:2 KJV) And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.
(Num 12:3 KJV) (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
(Num 12:4 KJV) And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.
(Num 12:5 KJV) And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
(Num 12:6 KJV) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
(Num 12:7 KJV) My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
(Num 12:8 KJV) With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
(Num 12:9 KJV) And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
(Num 12:10 KJV) And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.


She indeed have a ministry to women and when she stepped out of that ministry into a mans ministry the anger of God was kindled against her...

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

For many years I worked at a lonely leper colony and over time knew all the folks there...One Sunday we were going to have a baptismal service...not like you do in the USA...but most of them we laid in a sheet and lowed them into a special made tank...this certain morning a doctor called me in and said, Missionary is your church going to baptize so and so. I said yes...he said please be careful with her legs...(we wrapped them in plastic)

Many of the "untouchable outcasts" became first class citizens of heaven....

I sat in the home of a witch doctor also a leper and told him about Jesus...both he and his wife Isabela had the dreaded disease...After telling him why I was at the colony he asked me if our religion had been around a very long...

Shame on those that would try to close anyone's mouth... We are all commanded to Go into all the world and preach....the Lord himself gave the orders...

No, my brothers you would have done so much better than me...I am so sure of that...however rejoice that a few of your earth brother's have been made into His likness...

Our baptisms there left blood in the water many times...

More emotional appeals...
Shame on anyone that would misrepresent what I have said...

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ummm, okay? What on earth does this have to do with "women-preachers" in the NT church ??


"Then Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women went out after her with tambourines and dancing." (Exodus 15.20).

LOL! I should have read through all the posts before posting...

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When people start fussing if a woman can be a part of the 5 fold ministry I always think of 35 And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto him, saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire. Mark 10:

36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?

37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.

38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?

What does it matter what title people think we have?
Don't worry about titles just do the work HE called you to do...

I have walked in churches and the pastor called me a true apostle...lol...other places I have been called a lady prophet...others have called me a great evangelist....others have called me a teacher...However I am none of the above....I am a missionary....a servant....a handmaiden of the Lord and a mother in Israel....

People that fuss and fight over who is who seem to have an inferior complex...Why knock the other person? If you do not believe in them or their calling...then fulfill YOUR calling...Remember it was Jesus that said, for whoever is not against us is for us.

So why try to destroy some lady preacher? Even if you do not believe in them they carry the same message of Christ and work for Him?

Maybe you cannot have lunch with them but you don't have to try to destoy one person that carries the gospel message....

AMEN! Preach it, Sister Alvear!

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Concerning Miriam, she did have a God ordained ministry - to WOMEN:
(Exo 15:20 KJV) And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.


When she sought to usurp authority from Moses, a man, she was struck with leprosy:

(Num 12:1 KJV) And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
(Num 12:2 KJV) And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.
(Num 12:3 KJV) (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
(Num 12:4 KJV) And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.
(Num 12:5 KJV) And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
(Num 12:6 KJV) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
(Num 12:7 KJV) My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
(Num 12:8 KJV) With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
(Num 12:9 KJV) And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
(Num 12:10 KJV) And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.


She indeed have a ministry to women and when she stepped out of that ministry into a mans ministry the anger of God was kindled against her...

So a men's ministry is to murmur against and gossip about somebody's wife? Seriously? You boys can have that 'ministry'!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

AMEN! Preach it, Sister Alvear!

LOL - Yea', "Preach It" - despite what the Bible says !

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Seriously??? You don't think the Elders of the church fed the church by preaching from the scriptures??? The Elders were men BTW. The reason the question is asked is because it is known that there are none. That is the point but I think you knew that already.

Seriously, is this a matter of what I think? Then that makes it simple. But seriously, I am simply asking the dude who continues to ask for scriptural record for a prophetess expounding from scriptures to provide the same scriptural record for a prophet expounding from scripture. This has been harped on repeatedly as 'proof' that women cannot preach-teach to a congregation from scripture.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

So a men's ministry is to murmur against and gossip about somebody's wife? Seriously? You boys can have that 'ministry'!

No wonder you believe in women preachers. No sense of context. No sense of accurately listening to what is said. Only an emotional appeal...

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Duh... Of course Jeremiah etc. did not rebuke Hulda from operating in the gift of the Spirit. A donkey did this once as well. Are we therefore to conclude that we should go to the zoo to hear a word from God? It's the same logic.

No one has ever said a woman cannot be used in the gifts. But this has been mentioned already. There is truly nothing new under the sun. As mentioned before everyone can operate in the gifts of the Spirit and I would challenge us all to be in a place where God can use us. But the Bible is clear, the Bishop is a man.

Correction: a bishop is a married man. According to your application of this text, there cannot be unmarried men as pastors, evangelists, teachers, apostles, or prophets. Please start preaching this requirement with the rest of the misapplied restrictions you would place on Holy Ghost filled people that God chooses to use for His purpose to fulfill the Great Commission.