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02-21-2014, 11:04 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Under the qualifications for the ministry it clearly states "the husband of one wife"
That settles it right there.
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02-22-2014, 02:07 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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Originally Posted by pilgram
Under the qualifications for the ministry it clearly states "the husband of one wife"
That settles it right there.
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No it does not say "the Ministry"
Paul was a Minister and there was no indication he was married and faithful over his house (how can he be when he was never at home?)
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02-22-2014, 10:56 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
No it does not say "the Ministry"
Paul was a Minister and there was no indication he was married and faithful over his house (how can he be when he was never at home?)
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A very close, literal view disqualifies not only women but also single men from ministry. All the evangelists need to sit down and be quiet until they're married.
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02-22-2014, 11:30 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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A very close, literal view disqualifies not only women but also single men from ministry. All the evangelists need to sit down and be quiet until they're married. 
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Which, being interpreted means - "I cannot adequately explain the passages which clearly forbid women from "teaching-preaching" in the church, so I'll tell everyone what it 'doesn't' mean (according to you) - But I cannot tell anyone what it 'DOES' mean."
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02-22-2014, 11:32 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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Originally Posted by rdp
Which, being interpreted means - "I cannot adequately explain the passages which clearly forbid women from "teaching-preaching" in the church, so I'll tell everyone what it 'doesn't' mean (according to you) - But I cannot tell anyone what it 'DOES' mean."
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It's duly noted that YOU didn't respond with an explanation either.
I'm just asking about consistency. If a literal view is taken, it must be applied consistently. Do you take the same stance on single men in the ministry that you do on women in the ministry? If not, why not?
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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02-22-2014, 11:43 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
It's duly noted that YOU didn't respond with an explanation either.
I'm just asking about consistency. If a literal view is taken, it must be applied consistently. Do you take the same stance on single men in the ministry that you do on women in the ministry? If not, why not?
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Silly. Where does Paul forbid single men from preaching-teaching in the church:____________? He doesn't (ummmm, know ye not that Paul {& Jesus} was single ?) - That interpretation is supplied by the pro "women-preachers" crowd.
Will elaborate further later tonight on the grammar of the text y'all rip from its context & intended meaning .
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02-22-2014, 11:48 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
rdp, if the phrase "husband of one wife" handily forbids women from ministry, then it also disqualifies single men from ministry, since a single man has no wife.
So I'm taking your response to mean that you don't agree that single men can't be bishops/elders/deacons?
Literal interpretations need to be consistent, or they lose credibility. I think that taking this passage literally is actually a valid interpretation, even though I don't agree with that particular take. However, it's only a respectable view if it's consistent and not interpreted only to the benefit of a certain stance.
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--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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02-22-2014, 02:21 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
That was her point, it doesn't.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-23-2014, 05:21 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
It's duly noted that YOU didn't respond with an explanation either.
I'm just asking about consistency. If a literal view is taken, it must be applied consistently. Do you take the same stance on single men in the ministry that you do on women in the ministry? If not, why not?
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Good luck getting an honest answer because the only honest answer exposes the hypocrisy and the almost misogynist mindset that permeates the anti-woman preacher theology.
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02-23-2014, 11:34 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy
Good luck getting an honest answer because the only honest answer exposes the hypocrisy and the almost misogynist mindset that permeates the anti-woman preacher theology.
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LOL - Poor ol' "misogynist" Apostle Paul:
Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.
11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
Explain it away until doomsday - it'll still mean exactly what it says when you're finished tampering with it !

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