End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

It was Esther that He chose to preserve a nation. It was to Samson’s mother not his father that the angel gave instructions. When the priest and scribe asked for a word from the Lord they came to Huldah. It was to her and not to her husband, nor to the prophet Jeremiah that the word of the Lord came. Abraham heard God say, "Listen to Sarah's voice. Romans 16:1-2 reads that Phoebe had labored with the Apostle.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

... Romans 16:1-2 reads that Phoebe had labored with the Apostle.

I notices a similarity in the terms used in Rom 16 and Acts 6.

Rom 16:1..  ..I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea.

Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve (diakoneō) tables.

Rom 16:2..  ..That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Act 6:3..  ..Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

The men who were appointed over serving tables were NO more preaching tables than the women in listed in Luke 8:3, were preaching (diakoneō) unto Christ of their substance. They men were over serving tables in Acts 6 just as the women were ministering/serving Him of their substance in Luke 8:3. What they were responsible for was labeled business in Acts 6 just as Paul encouraged the Romans to assist Phebe in her business. In all three places is was ministering-serving-assisting so others could more effectively perform their duties. In the specific cases, it was serving and not preaching!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by RJR

I notices a similarity in the terms used in Rom 16 and Acts 6.

Rom 16:1..  ..I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea.

Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve (diakoneō) tables.

Rom 16:2..  ..That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Act 6:3..  ..Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

The men who were appointed over serving tables were NO more preaching tables than the women in listed in Luke 8:3, were preaching (diakoneō) unto Christ of their substance. They men were over serving tables in Acts 6 just as the women were ministering/serving Him of their substance in Luke 8:3. What they were responsible for was labeled business in Acts 6 just as Paul encouraged the Romans to assist Phebe in her business. In all three places is was ministering-serving-assisting so others could more effectively perform their duties. In the specific cases, it was serving and not preaching!

So true Elder - But she has been told this over & over & over:

Originally Posted by rdp

Original Word: διάκονος, οῦ, ὁ, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: diakonos
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ak'-on-os)
Short Definition: a waiter, servant, administrator
Definition: a waiter, servant; then of any one who performs any service, an administrator.


Grammarian, Dr. A. T. Robertson, "1249 (diákonos) properly means 'to kick up dust,' as one running an errand."


Renown linguist Dr. Joseph Thayer, "a deaconess (ministra, Pliny, epistles 10, 97), a woman to whom the care of either poor or sick women was entrusted, Romans 16:1 (cf. Dictionaries as above, under the word ; Lightfoot as above, p. 191; B. D. under the word ).



Sorry Sister - women "preaching-teaching" men from the Scriptures is simply not there .

Originally Posted by rdp

Are you now telling us that Phoebe was a "ruler" over Paul....For he goes on to say in the same verse, "including myself also" ??


See the translations below:



New Living Translation
Welcome her in the Lord as one who is worthy of honor among God's people. Help her in whatever she needs, for she has been helpful to many, and especially to me.

New American Standard Bible
that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and that you help her in whatever matter she may have need of you; for she herself has also been a helper of many, and of myself as well.

King James Bible
That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.


International Standard Version
Welcome her in the Lord as is appropriate for saints, and provide her with anything she may need from you, for she has assisted many people, including me.

NET Bible
so that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints and provide her with whatever help she may need from you, for she has been a great help to many, including me.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
That you would accept her in Our Lord, as that is right for Saints, and in any matter that she seeks of you, that you would help her, because she is also a helper to many and also to me.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Give her a Christian welcome that shows you are God's holy people. Provide her with anything she may need, because she has provided help to many people, including me.

Jubilee Bible 2000
that ye receive her in the Lord as a worthy saint, and that ye assist her in whatever thing in which she has need of you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself also.

King James 2000 Bible
That you receive her in the Lord, as becomes saints, and that you assist her in whatever business she has need of you: for she has been a helper of many, and of myself also.

American King James Version
That you receive her in the Lord, as becomes saints, and that you assist her in whatever business she has need of you: for she has been a succorer of many, and of myself also.

American Standard Version
that ye receive her in the Lord, worthily of the saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever matter she may have need of you: for she herself also hath been a helper of many, and of mine own self.

Douay-Rheims Bible
That you receive her in the Lord as becometh saints; and that you assist her in whatsoever business she shall have need of you. For she also hath assisted many, and myself also.

Darby Bible Translation
that ye may receive her in the Lord worthily of saints, and that ye may assist her in whatever matter she has need of you; for she also has been a helper of many, and of myself.

English Revised Version
that ye receive her in the Lord, worthily of the saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever matter she may have need of you: for she herself also hath been a succourer of many, and of mine own self.

Webster's Bible Translation
That ye receive her in the Lord, as it becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succorer of many, and of myself also.

Weymouth New Testament
that you may receive her as a fellow Christian in a manner worthy of God's people, and may assist her in any matter in which she may need help. For she has indeed been a kind friend to many, including myself.

World English Bible
that you receive her in the Lord, in a way worthy of the saints, and that you assist her in whatever matter she may need from you, for she herself also has been a helper of many, and of my own self.




Phoebe was a "helper" (not Paul's or anyone else's "ruler") - this is precisely what the Greek word denotes - as is demonstrated in all of the translations above, which combines hundreds of professional linguists & translators (working both independent of & in conjunction with one another)
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She will never recant, no matter how much biblical, exegetical, & syntactical evidence we may provide:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Really I will never change my opinion or belief because I know God called me when I was 8 years old to be a missionary

Sad......

[RJR]

Originally Posted by rdp

So true Elder - But she has been told this over & over & over:










She will never recant, no matter how much biblical, exegetical, & syntactical evidence we may provide:







Sad......

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

She will never recant, no matter how much biblical, exegetical, & syntactical evidence we may provide:







Sad......

Sad for you all, maybe. Christ does not condemn her.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=45709&page=4

[rdp]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Sad for you all, maybe. Christ does not condemn her.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=45709&page=4

Ummm, what on earth do you think this proves ?


Yes, the Bible clearly condemns any woman who "teaches-preaches" the Scriptures to men in the church - she is functioning outside of her God-given place - & as said before, we would get up & walk out.


Your posts are incoherent & seem to just ramble - hence, I do not really take them seriously anyway.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ummm, what on earth do you think this proves ?


Yes, the Bible clearly condemns any woman who "teaches-preaches" the Scriptures to men in the church - she is functioning outside of her God-given place - & as said before, we would get up & walk out.


Your posts are incoherent & seem to just ramble - hence, I do not really take them seriously anyway.

well, not trying to prove anything; and they weren't meant for you, so..."khakis."

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

[COLOR="Blue"]Your posts are incoherent & seem to just ramble - hence, I do not really take them seriously anyway.

well, please note that i am mildly autistic, and sometimes assume that the connections are more obvious, and will be grasped even thru my shorthand posts. see that i also get feedback that expresses thanks for insightful leaps! ask questions to make connections if you like; but most of my replies, while tech replies to you, may not be aimed at you, if you get my drift. you may have had all of my reflections drummed out of you in Divinity, wadr. nothing wrong with that.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

I notices a similarity in the terms used in Rom 16 and Acts 6.

Rom 16:1..  ..I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea.

Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve (diakoneō) tables.

Rom 16:2..  ..That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Act 6:3..  ..Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

The men who were appointed over serving tables were NO more preaching tables than the women in listed in Luke 8:3, were preaching (diakoneō) unto Christ of their substance. They men were over serving tables in Acts 6 just as the women were ministering/serving Him of their substance in Luke 8:3. What they were responsible for was labeled business in Acts 6 just as Paul encouraged the Romans to assist Phebe in her business. In all three places is was ministering-serving-assisting so others could more effectively perform their duties. In the specific cases, it was serving and not preaching!

You have said this before, but that's not what scripture is saying. The brethren in Acts 6 being spoken to were not waiting tables. They were disciples present with the 12 as stated in verse 2.

the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them

Then said to them, Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report,

Again, where do you get they were speaking to the men waiting tables?

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You have said this before, but that's not what scripture is saying. The brethren in Acts 6 being spoken to were not waiting tables. They were disciples present with the 12 as stated in verse 2.

the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them

Then said to them, Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report,

Again, where do you get they were speaking to the men waiting tables?

Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
Act 6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
Act 6:4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.

1 Was not the concern that the Apostles was being taken away from the word of God and prayer.

2 Was not the solution to their present concern, appointing seven men who would be appointed over the business, so the Apostles could be given to prayer and the Word?

3 Not to be lost in your quibbling, was not the "serve" in verse number 2 (as in serve tables) the word we get deacon from?