Oneness Questions

Luke · #1 04-24-2014, 06:52 PM

Sean why are you not answering my questions instead of avoiding them?

Sean · #2 04-24-2014, 09:02 PM

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Sean why are you not answering my questions instead of avoiding them?

Luke, sorry, I think I am good with the thread "the man Christ Jesus". It is not my problem that you believe in a triune God.

I never got any answers from you in those threads, like...

"Who was the Father of Jesus"?...The Father or the Holy Ghost. (Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost) Who can claim paternity or did Jesus have 2 fathers.....

Or is Jesus in the Godhead, or is the Godhead in Jesus?.....

I am weary of answering the same question over and over again. I was trying to help some newbies that I have not spoke to about my ideas. You insist on a debate and we already did one. I send anyone interested to that site. You unwittingly "helped" me express my point of view regarding the Godhead. You asked me that same mormon thing over there and I put it to rest.

You are free to ask something new, but I cannot keep saying the same thing again and again. I may have to "refer you" to the "other" thread for reminders.

And for my questions....I still silently wait...and wait...and wait....

Luke · #3 04-25-2014, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Luke, sorry, I think I am good with the thread "the man Christ Jesus". It is not my problem that you believe in a triune God.

I never got any answers from you in those threads, like...

"Who was the Father of Jesus"?...The Father or the Holy Ghost. (Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost) Who can claim paternity or did Jesus have 2 fathers.....

Or is Jesus in the Godhead, or is the Godhead in Jesus?.....

I am weary of answering the same question over and over again. I was trying to help some newbies that I have not spoke to about my ideas. You insist on a debate and we already did one. I send anyone interested to that site. You unwittingly "helped" me express my point of view regarding the Godhead. You asked me that same mormon thing over there and I put it to rest.

You are free to ask something new, but I cannot keep saying the same thing again and again. I may have to "refer you" to the "other" thread for reminders.

And for my questions....I still silently wait...and wait...and wait....

I did answer those questions multiple times in the other thread. If you care to look back you could see that but for the sake of those now reading I will again answer the questions.

1. Jesus answers the question as tho His Father for Himself and it is always God the Father to whom He points. Yet at the same time in all literalness to say that Jesus had a Father is to imply that He had a beginning which is false. In the sense of His earthly body yes there was a beginning but to Jesus Himself there is no beginning or ending.

2. As to the Godhead and how Jesus relates to it. He is both in it and it is in Him. He alone took on a bodily form therefore it is true that in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily but at the same He also is as Paul says equal with God (the Father) no one goes around speaking of how they are equal with them self to do so would be pointless.

Now please answer my question do you believe that man can become God?

Sean · #4 04-25-2014, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke

I did answer those questions multiple times in the other thread. If you care to look back you could see that but for the sake of those now reading I will again answer the questions.

1. Jesus answers the question as tho His Father for Himself and it is always God the Father to whom He points. (Yet at the same time in all literalness to say that Jesus had a Father is to imply that He had a beginning which is false). In the sense of His earthly body yes there was a beginning but to Jesus Himself there is no beginning or ending.

SO LUKE, YOU HONESTLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS HAD A LITERAL FATHER? YOU KNOW HE CAME FROM THE WOMB OF MARY ,RIGHT?, YOU BEGAN IN YOUR MOTHERS WOMB, RIGHT? LOOK WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

2. As to the Godhead and how Jesus relates to it. He is both in it and it is in Him. He alone took on a bodily form therefore it is true that in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily but at the same He also is as Paul says equal with God (the Father) no one goes around speaking of how they are equal with them self to do so would be pointless.

THATS MY POINT, AS LONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD "DWELLS IN JESUS BODILY"Col.2:9 (IT IS "ALL" INSIDE THE BODY OF JESUS"...THATS WHAT I KEEP SAYING.

Now please answer my question do you believe that man can become God?

In the case of Jesus, absolutely!!!!
As far as anyone else...NO!!!!

Luke · #5 04-25-2014, 07:34 AM

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In the case of Jesus, absolutely!!!!
As far as anyone else...NO

Wow there is no bible for that but thank you for answering my question.

What about Adam could he have become God he was created with out a mother or a father, he was created sinless Jesus was even called the second Adam? If He had passed some test would he have been the one to become God?

Sean · #6 04-25-2014, 08:10 AM

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Wow there is no bible for that but thank you for answering my question.

What about Adam could he have become God he was created with out a mother or a father, he was created sinless Jesus was even called the second Adam? If He had passed some test would he have been the one to become God?

NO, God chose Jesus...It was part of the "plan"

Aquila · #7 04-25-2014, 08:24 AM

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Wow there is no bible for that but thank you for answering my question.

What about Adam could he have become God he was created with out a mother or a father, he was created sinless Jesus was even called the second Adam? If He had passed some test would he have been the one to become God?

Interesting questions Luke. Here are my thoughts...

Adam could never become God in the same sense that Jesus is God. Sure, Adam could have eaten of the Tree of Life and partaken in God's divine nature (as we do through the Holy Ghost). However, the man Jesus Christ was made in the express image of God's own person. Therefore, Jesus is who God desires to reveal Himself to be, manifest in the flesh. So while Adam may have been able to partake in the divine nature (as we do in Spirit)... the man Jesus Christ not only partakes (without measure) through His union with the Father (Oneness)... Jesus reflects the Father Himself. As a result, to see Jesus is to see the Father.

Luke · #8 04-25-2014, 07:41 AM

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SO LUKE, YOU HONESTLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS HAD A LITERAL FATHER? YOU KNOW HE CAME FROM THE WOMB OF MARY ,RIGHT?, YOU BEGAN IN YOUR MOTHERS WOMB, RIGHT? LOOK WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

Jesus was born of a virgin how could He have a literal Father like me or you?

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THATS MY POINT, AS LONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD "DWELLS IN JESUS BODILY"Col.2:9 (IT IS "ALL" INSIDE THE BODY OF JESUS"...THATS WHAT I KEEP SAYING.

You should reread what I said:

2. As to the Godhead and how Jesus relates to it. He is both in it and it is in Him. He alone took on a bodily form therefore it is true that in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily but at the same He also is as Paul says equal with God (the Father) no one goes around speaking of how they are equal with them self to do so would be pointless.

Please note that I am not saying that Jesus is alone!

Sean · #9 04-25-2014, 08:24 AM

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Jesus was born of a virgin how could He have a literal Father like me or you?

I WILL TELL YOU, BUT ITS GRAPHIC...GOD "CREATED" A SPERM CELL IN THE WOMB OF MARY TO FERTILIZE AN EGG CELL. THAT IS WHERE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON HAD HIS BEGINNINGS. THAT IS WHY HE CALLED HIS GOD(MY FATHER)....THAT IS WHAT BEGOTTEN MEANS. IT IS A HUMAN TERM OF 2 HUMAN BEINGS CREATING ANOTHER ONE. THAT IS WHY JESUS IS CALLED THE (ONLY) "BEGOTTEN" SON OF GOD. (just read the beginnings of the gospels...so and so begat so and so). They were makin' human babies. Jesus was a human baby. JESUS HAD A DAD.

You should reread what I said:

2. As to the Godhead and how Jesus relates to it. He is both in it and it is in Him. He alone took on a bodily form therefore it is true that in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily but at the same He also is as Paul says equal with God (the Father) no one goes around speaking of how they are equal with them self to do so would be pointless.

Please note that I am not saying that Jesus is alone!

I see that clearly...

Luke · #10 04-25-2014, 12:27 PM

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I WILL TELL YOU, BUT ITS GRAPHIC...GOD "CREATED" A SPERM CELL IN THE WOMB OF MARY TO FERTILIZE AN EGG CELL. THAT IS WHERE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON HAD HIS BEGINNINGS. THAT IS WHY HE CALLED HIS GOD(MY FATHER)....THAT IS WHAT BEGOTTEN MEANS. IT IS A HUMAN TERM OF 2 HUMAN BEINGS CREATING ANOTHER ONE. THAT IS WHY JESUS IS CALLED THE (ONLY) "BEGOTTEN" SON OF GOD. (just read the beginnings of the gospels...so and so begat so and so). They were makin' human babies. Jesus was a human baby. JESUS HAD A DAD.

Have you ever noticed that in the two Genealogies that have Jesus in them (Matt 1 and Luke 3) it never uses the word begat about Jesus.

In Jesus birth there was but one human and that was the virgin Mary.

Jesus had no beginning of days:

Micah 5:2
But thou, Beth-lehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Hebrews 7:3
without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.