Oneness Questions - Page 4

Praxeas · #31 04-24-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Luke, weve been through this already..our threads on "the man Christ Jesus", show what I believe.

Jesus was "completely" human with his own body, soul and human spirit. Just like us. A "qualified human being. No "add ons".

He never claimed to be God, but the Holy Ghost "inside" him(or the Father), definitely claimed to be God. He was simply a "begotten"(human) son of almighty God. And God(Father) was in his body. The Father was (in) him and spoke (through) him and did miracles (through) him.

The Father(God) raised Jesus from the dead. And the fullness of the Godhead(all of what God consists of) now dwells in him BODILY(glorified-OMNIPRESENT BODY)...ALL OF GOD IS INSIDE OF JESUS...Jesus is not in the Godhead, but the Godhead is "INSIDE" JESUS (BODILY)(thats how Jesus is omnipresent now),Col.2:9...

.NOW THAT IS NOT "DENYING" the DEITY of JESUS.in any way, shape or form. It makes Jesus "ALL" God, not just a "part"(co-equal partner) of a trinitarian godhead.

Wait..he never claimed to be God, but he was God? Im confused.

if God is inside Jesus, how can Jesus be God? If I am in my car, am I my car?

It sounds like you have two Persons. One is God and the other is not but has that first one inside of him but somehow having that first one inside of him makes the second one God too?

Praxeas · #32 04-24-2014, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

Isaiah 9:6 is a prophecy that is not fulfilled, it is only partly fulfilled just as many others in Isaiah.

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.(not fulfilled)

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Please explain why you believe that is not fulfilled

Praxeas · #33 04-24-2014, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

I also believe in ONE GOD,just not the Jesus only doctrine .
Ferd please explain Paul's letter that all things we're put under Jesus except God.

What is Jesus only doctrine?

Luke · #34 04-24-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Hey bro, you are asking the same questions that we discussed over there. I answered them all...Jesus was a man and God(the father) was in him in the form of the Holy Ghost(luke 4:1)

lets try this one: If you were born of a virgin by the power of God, and you had the power of God residing in you in the fullness that Jesus had(witnessing the miracles,signs and wonders that Jesus did), and I saw you die to fulfill o.t. Scriptures and resurrect in a glorified body claiming "all power is given unto me in heaven and earth", you would be my God. I would not have to ask you,,,,show me God?. Before he died, Phillip said."show me(us) the Father(God). They wanted to see God. They did not know that the Father was right there in front of them...(inside of Jesus)....they did not realize he would be their God till after the resurrection. ( they just saw him as the messiah, prophet, son of God,) ...that is when Thomas first fell down and said..."my Lord and my God"...after the resurrection.

I believe Jesus is God. He was not born a baby/god. He was a man. God is not a man. His "destiny" was to become "our" God. He passed the test(with the help of the Holy Ghost inside him). He is our God.

Do you believe that man can become God?

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Originally Posted by Sean

When the father speaks, it is written in blue letters...lol,

no really, when Jesus said "before Abraham was, I AM".....that was the Father.
When Jesus said..."I thirst"...that was Jesus.

Where does it ever specify this?

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Originally Posted by Sean

No Luke, God is "inside" him. As big as God is, is now how big Jesus is.(omnipresent)

You are still saying that Jesus is not God but rather place where God dwells.

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Simple, his body is literally destroyed by his fellow humans, his soul and spirit go back to God and God resurrects him from the dead, gives him a glorified body and chooses to dwell in him in His fullness.
You must really think that is impossible to God(what i just described)
thats why you try the mormon ploy. (the readers are smarter than you think)

I think it did not happen because it nowhere says it did in scripture. I made mention of mormons because they also believe that man can become God. Which is what you are saying.

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Originally Posted by Sean

Thats the part that I have no idea...what happens to the soul and spirit. Jesus like us, had both...why dont you tell me what happened to Jesus' soul and human spirit?... I really would like to know....that part of ingredients of the human being is left out for conjecture. (maybe his soul and human spirit are essentially part of his new body and all parts are omnipresent), ( maybe our soul and spirit will just get a new body) but we wont be God or omnipresent.

He retains His spirit and soul i would assume just as we will (depending on your view of man as a dicotmy or a tricotomy) He is still the God Man.

Why according to your view did He become God and yet we wil not? We are said to be the place where God resides and we are to gewt a new glorified body so why not us?

Sean · #35 04-24-2014, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wait..he never claimed to be God, but he was God? Im confused.

if God is inside Jesus, how can Jesus be God? If I am in my car, am I my car?

It sounds like you have two Persons. One is God and the other is not but has that first one inside of him but somehow having that first one inside of him makes the second one God too?

I dont know if you read my other threads I referred to from a couple months ago(the man Christ Jesus).....let me try to clarify brother.

Jesus, NEVER physically pre-existed. He was the 2nd Adam(the first Adam was created from dust and was "a" son of God, the second Adam was created in the "egg" of Mary and became the "only begotten"(only conceived) son of God. They were both equally human, but made differently.

Now The Father(GOD), chose to dwell in His "only begotten" son(Jesus), unlike Adam in the garden. The first Adam sinned and the second Adam did not sin.(I believe with the help of the Holy Ghost).

Actually, the Father that was in Jesus was otherwise known as the Holy Ghost. Luke 4:1 Jesus, being a man, was FILLED with the Holy Ghost.

Jesus died and resurrected, and now is the Image of God for us to worship. God without some kind of Image, is like worshipping the wind or electricity. You can feel it but it cant be seen . God, wanting to get more "personal"(seen) with mankind , created Jesus.
2 Cor. 5:19...says... "to wit(or to understand) that GOD(FATHER) was IN(INSIDE) Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself(God or the Father)

He is inside of a glorified human body now(the body of Jesus), and all that it entails, to have real fellowship with us. He now insists on us to go through an Image(Jesus)....

Its not 2 persons, Its 1 God "inside" 1 Man(glorified Jesus)

I would say as I said above in the previous thread.... A glorified man that has been given all power(that had none of his own originally) that is called by the Creator (our image) to worship, and is "containing" the "fullness" of this Creator ...is God to me!

Sean · #36 04-24-2014, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke

Do you believe that man can become God?

Where does it ever specify this?

Just any man right.?... nice try Luke.(mormon, mormon, mormon)

You are still saying that Jesus is not God but rather place where God dwells.

You can read my thread in detail...get your head out of the sand and read it.

I think it did not happen because it nowhere says it did in scripture. I made mention of mormons because they also believe that man can become God. Which is what you are saying.

(mormon, mormon, mormon) this is ridiculous. are you running out of ammo already?

He retains His spirit and soul i would assume just as we will (depending on your view of man as a dicotmy or a tricotomy) He is still the God Man.

Why according to your view did He become God and yet we wil not? We are said to be the place where God resides and we are to gewt a new glorified body so why not us?

Probably because Jesus was the only begotten son and we are adopted, Jesus was sinless and we are born sinners.

Michael The Disciple · #37 04-24-2014, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

What is Jesus only doctrine?

You don't know? Or just setting him up?

Anyway I embrace the words "Jesus Only".

To me it means he is the only one who is God as opposed to two others.

Luke · #38 04-24-2014, 06:52 PM

Sean why are you not answering my questions instead of avoiding them?

Sean · #39 04-24-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke

Sean why are you not answering my questions instead of avoiding them?

Luke, sorry, I think I am good with the thread "the man Christ Jesus". It is not my problem that you believe in a triune God.

I never got any answers from you in those threads, like...

"Who was the Father of Jesus"?...The Father or the Holy Ghost. (Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost) Who can claim paternity or did Jesus have 2 fathers.....

Or is Jesus in the Godhead, or is the Godhead in Jesus?.....

I am weary of answering the same question over and over again. I was trying to help some newbies that I have not spoke to about my ideas. You insist on a debate and we already did one. I send anyone interested to that site. You unwittingly "helped" me express my point of view regarding the Godhead. You asked me that same mormon thing over there and I put it to rest.

You are free to ask something new, but I cannot keep saying the same thing again and again. I may have to "refer you" to the "other" thread for reminders.

And for my questions....I still silently wait...and wait...and wait....

jfrog · #40 04-25-2014, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bjhs08

Hello all,

I am new to this forum and to Oneness Pentecostalism in general. I am a trinitarian pentecostal, but I have been doing alot of research on Oneness doctrine and am feeling drawn to it. However, I have a few questions for the community here. Please do not take these as an attack or challenge, but as form one seeking more information. Thanks

1) If God and Jesus are one, who was Jesus speaking to on the Cross when he said "Forgive them Father for the know not what they do.", and "My God, why have you foresaken me?"

2) What about passages that say that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father?

Thank you for your help.

As you can see there is a diversity of opinions within oneness ranks