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04-28-2014, 10:49 AM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
I have learned that it is never okay to criticize the UPC (in my experience).
It was not okay when I was newly in the church because I was new and didn't "understand".
It was not okay when my husband was the assistant pastor and I was worship leader because we were just assisting.
It was not okay when we were in Home Missions because we were new pastors.
It was not okay when we started pastoring an established work because "they" said so.
It was not okay when we found embezzling going on because we were supposed to let the district superintendent handle it.
It was not okay when the district superintendent did not handle it but pushed it up under the rug.
It was not okay when we were leaving.
It was not okay after we left because we were "bitter" and "backslid".
It is not okay now because we no longer attend.
See, it just isn't okay.
Which means, according to the UPC, it is not and never was okay for me to have an opinion, a voice, a question, a comment or ANYTHING negative.
But it was okay when we assisted for free for 9 years. It was okay when we built a church and financed it for 5 years. It was okay when we pastored practically for free for another 5 years.
See, giving and praising and all that is okay.
But don't you ever, ever criticize, even if people are embezzling and the district superintendent is covering it up. Because that would be WRONG!
And there you have it. 
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04-29-2014, 04:09 AM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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Originally Posted by ILG
I have learned that it is never okay to criticize the UPC (in my experience).
It was not okay when I was newly in the church because I was new and didn't "understand".
It was not okay when my husband was the assistant pastor and I was worship leader because we were just assisting.
It was not okay when we were in Home Missions because we were new pastors.
It was not okay when we started pastoring an established work because "they" said so.
It was not okay when we found embezzling going on because we were supposed to let the district superintendent handle it.
It was not okay when the district superintendent did not handle it but pushed it up under the rug.
It was not okay when we were leaving.
It was not okay after we left because we were "bitter" and "backslid".
It is not okay now because we no longer attend.
See, it just isn't okay.
Which means, according to the UPC, it is not and never was okay for me to have an opinion, a voice, a question, a comment or ANYTHING negative.
But it was okay when we assisted for free for 9 years. It was okay when we built a church and financed it for 5 years. It was okay when we pastored practically for free for another 5 years.
See, giving and praising and all that is okay.
But don't you ever, ever criticize, even if people are embezzling and the district superintendent is covering it up. Because that would be WRONG!
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And on and on and on and on.
You really don't understand. It's not that you had an opinion or criticism, it's that you tell us over and over and over and over and over and over...and not just you but others and if you REALLY Did understand Mich's point, you'd be more sympathetic than defensive over it.
Over and over and over and over, month after month, year after year...I set my watch by it 
It's OLD
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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05-01-2014, 04:37 PM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
And on and on and on and on.
You really don't understand. It's not that you had an opinion or criticism, it's that you tell us over and over and over and over and over and over...and not just you but others and if you REALLY Did understand Mich's point, you'd be more sympathetic than defensive over it.
Over and over and over and over, month after month, year after year...I set my watch by it
It's OLD
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This post is horribly offensive, as are most you type. You seem to relish hate.
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05-01-2014, 04:57 PM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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This post is horribly offensive, as are most you type. You seem to relish hate.
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Truth hurts sometimes, eh?
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05-01-2014, 05:34 PM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
This post is horribly offensive, as are most you type. You seem to relish hate.
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How is it full of hate and offensive? Saying it get's OLD to constantly hear "UPC this and that" is horribly offensive and hateful? lol.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-01-2014, 05:37 PM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
How is it full of hate and offensive? Saying it get's OLD to constantly hear "UPC this and that" is horribly offensive and hateful? lol.
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Apparently.
Then he turned around and posted this gem:
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Originally Posted by Charnock
They want you to shut up because your silence ensures the survival of the abusive system. Predators tell young children that they will kill them and/or their family if they ever tell about the abuse.
Silence never helps those who've been raped, beaten or robbed.
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Compared the UPC to abusers, rapists, predators, and thieves.
But your post is the offensive one.
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05-01-2014, 05:52 PM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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Originally Posted by n david
Apparently.
Then he turned around and posted this gem:
Compared the UPC to abusers, rapists, predators, and thieves.
But your post is the offensive one.
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Exactly...that is classic Charnock. It reminds me of Gary Reckart on Facefook. Anyone that refutes his teaching get's blasted as a hater, all the while he is calling everyone liars and everything else, then he blocks you.
The "They are bitter" Mantra from people that are still Apostolic or UPC is old too but when you read this sort of stuff you can see there is a basis in reality when it comes to some
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-01-2014, 06:50 PM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Exactly...that is classic Charnock. It reminds me of Gary Reckart on Facefook. Anyone that refutes his teaching get's blasted as a hater, all the while he is calling everyone liars and everything else, then he blocks you.
The "They are bitter" Mantra from people that are still Apostolic or UPC is old too but when you read this sort of stuff you can see there is a basis in reality when it comes to some
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05-03-2014, 06:50 AM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
And on and on and on and on.
You really don't understand. It's not that you had an opinion or criticism, it's that you tell us over and over and over and over and over and over...and not just you but others and if you REALLY Did understand Mich's point, you'd be more sympathetic than defensive over it.
Over and over and over and over, month after month, year after year...I set my watch by it
It's OLD
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Most threads on this forum are redundant.
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05-01-2014, 04:35 PM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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Originally Posted by ILG
I have learned that it is never okay to criticize the UPC (in my experience).
It was not okay when I was newly in the church because I was new and didn't "understand".
It was not okay when my husband was the assistant pastor and I was worship leader because we were just assisting.
It was not okay when we were in Home Missions because we were new pastors.
It was not okay when we started pastoring an established work because "they" said so.
It was not okay when we found embezzling going on because we were supposed to let the district superintendent handle it.
It was not okay when the district superintendent did not handle it but pushed it up under the rug.
It was not okay when we were leaving.
It was not okay after we left because we were "bitter" and "backslid".
It is not okay now because we no longer attend.
See, it just isn't okay.
Which means, according to the UPC, it is not and never was okay for me to have an opinion, a voice, a question, a comment or ANYTHING negative.
But it was okay when we assisted for free for 9 years. It was okay when we built a church and financed it for 5 years. It was okay when we pastored practically for free for another 5 years.
See, giving and praising and all that is okay.
But don't you ever, ever criticize, even if people are embezzling and the district superintendent is covering it up. Because that would be WRONG!
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And there you have it.
Here's what I find odd...this is supposed to be a forum, a place to exchange ideas, a place to share.
Yet the admins have absolutely killed this place. It's a shell of its former self.
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