Oneness Questions

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

First of all, it's not centuries ago. They still are around today and they call themselves Unitarians

How is it a cop out to identify belief systems? Do you refrain from using the words "Catholic, Christian, Muslims, Baptist, American etc etc etc"? Do you? Why are you so bothered by labels? It's a false argument unless you never EVER use a label for someone's belief system

Im speaking in terms of a (personal debate) setting. If I come in saying some extra biblical terms about some unknown group and comparing it to my opponent. He can rightfully say to me "I dont believe like they do", even if there are some "similarities" there. Prax...I can call you a "catholic" because they are Christian and believe in Jesus like you. You think thats ridiculous and it is. Well thats what I think when people try to put us in the HERESY box, first of all, they only have (their) "perfect doctrinal belief system" to compare to. I dont like to do that to people, because when I do, it creates an atmosphere that my beliefs are "superior" to theirs. It is also a strategy used to "isolate" your opponent. Luke did not even try to do that to me and he was my opponent...he just wanted straight answers to my concepts.

Look, I put these concepts out there to define "true" oneness teaching (in my mind). I PARROTED the GOD/MAN concept for years in probably 500 bible studies. I still saw 2 dieties in some form.(I see it though a microscope, not just in general terms) It troubled me. It was just a little different than a trinitarian point of view. (there is very little contrast between us and them unless we can define our beliefs).


They can quote 1 Tim 3:16 also, and trinitize it. Its not hard. They believe whole heartedly God became a man! My brethren say the same thing.

I dont believe God "became" a man. I believe God created the man and dwelled in THE man(Jesus). In my point of view ,there is no such thing as a dual nature God/Man(ie.."Jesus had a dual nature"). Thats right in "our" little book of doctrine and creeds .(I have one from the 60s)

Our brethren say that Jesus is God but they must "define" that. it has "similarities" to the trinity.....thats exactly why they(many trinitarians) cant see a difference between us and them.

[Dichotomy Girl]

This may surprise some, but I still consider myself to be oneness. My Favorite "oneness" scripture is Colossians 1:15-20

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

To me it pretty much says that Jesus is everything. He's the only way that we can SEE God, his life and words and teachings, show us the true character of God.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Im speaking in terms of a (personal debate) setting. If I come in saying some extra biblical terms about some unknown group and comparing it to my opponent. He can rightfully say to me "I dont believe like they do", even if there are some "similarities" there. Prax...I can call you a "catholic" because they are Christian and believe in Jesus like you. You think thats ridiculous and it is. Well thats what I think when people try to put us in the HERESY box, first of all, they only have (their) "perfect doctrinal belief system" to compare to. I dont like to do that to people, because when I do, it creates an atmosphere that my beliefs are "superior" to theirs. It is also a strategy used to "isolate" your opponent. Luke did not even try to do that to me and he was my opponent...he just wanted straight answers to my concepts.

Look, I put these concepts out there to define "true" oneness teaching (in my mind). I PARROTED the GOD/MAN concept for years in probably 500 bible studies. I still saw 2 dieties in some form.(I see it though a microscope, not just in general terms) It troubled me. It was just a little different than a trinitarian point of view. (there is very little contrast between us and them unless we can define our beliefs).


They can quote 1 Tim 3:16 also, and trinitize it. Its not hard. They believe whole heartedly God became a man! My brethren say the same thing.

I dont believe God "became" a man. I believe God created the man and dwelled in THE man(Jesus). In my point of view ,there is no such thing as a dual nature God/Man(ie.."Jesus had a dual nature"). Thats right in "our" little book of doctrine and creeds .(I have one from the 60s)

Our brethren say that Jesus is God but they must "define" that. it has "similarities" to the trinity.....thats exactly why they(many trinitarians) cant see a difference between us and them.

There is nothing wrong with words not used in the bible nor labels. You use them all the time

Your view is called Unitarianism.