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Old 05-21-2014, 06:13 AM
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My son is in the middle of playing with His tablet. Addison, my girlfriend's daughter, doesn't have a tablet. She asks Noah to share. He says, "No, I'm in the middle of a game." She becomes upset and complains, "Noah's not sharing." Noah pipes up, "I'm in the middle of a game!" I tell her, "Honey, it's Noah's tablet and if he doesn't want to share, that is his choice. It is his."

Now, is Noah being fair? Nope. He's not sharing and trying to make everyone feel good. His decision upsets Addison, and understandably so. However, it is his tablet. Allowing Noah to do as he pleases with his property is just.
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My son is in the middle of playing with His tablet. Addison, my girlfriend's daughter, doesn't have a tablet. She asks Noah to share. He says, "No, I'm in the middle of a game." She becomes upset and complains, "Noah's not sharing." Noah pipes up, "I'm in the middle of a game!" I tell her, "Honey, it's Noah's tablet and if he doesn't want to share, that is his choice. It is his."

Now, is Noah being fair? Nope. He's not sharing and trying to make everyone feel good. His decision upsets Addison, and understandably so. However, it is his tablet. Allowing Noah to do as he pleases with his property is just.
Worst. Analogy. Ever.
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Do you have a right to do whatever you wish with what is yours? Is this right just?

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Do you have a right to do whatever you wish with what is yours? Is this right just?
It's not an unconditional right, no. I can't use my things to hurt others (without good reason, such as self-defense).

You are trying to use the illustration to show why it is perfectly fine, in your view, for God to select a few humans to spare them the punishment they (in your view) deserve, but go ahead and punish most of us.

If you are trying to show that we "belong" to God and therefor he can do whatever he wants with us, well, yeah, I suppose he could. But it would be beyond bizarre for anyone to expect that capricious and evil being to be worthy of our love and admiration.
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It's not an unconditional right, no. I can't use my things to hurt others (without good reason, such as self-defense).
And so, we agree, there are reasons and circumstances that justify harming others.

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You are trying to use the illustration to show why it is perfectly fine, in your view, for God to select a few humans to spare them the punishment they (in your view) deserve,
Are they not His to do with as He chooses?

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...but go ahead and punish most of us.
Are we not guilty and deserving of said punishment?

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If you are trying to show that we "belong" to God and therefor he can do whatever he wants with us, well, yeah, I suppose he could.
And does.

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But it would be beyond bizarre for anyone to expect that capricious and evil being to be worthy of our love and admiration.
Why would He be unworthy of love for choosing to save a remnant of His creation? Would He be more worthy of love if He did nothing and allowed the entire human race to perish?
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