Oneness Pentecostals Are Right on Baptism

[Sean]

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

I dont see another concept presented here to wash away sins, but to be baptized. If I was on the receiving end of that statement, I would have equated baptism with my sins being washed away. (you know..WATER(baptized)....WASH, (I kinda see it like that), just most folks use water to wash stuff, but what do I know?, maybe baptism is like a "waterless car wash"...LOL....respectfully


Brother, look at the passage again...Arise>Baptized(water)>WASH(water) AWAY THY SINS,,,,Brother, this is clean as a whistle. How my brother, can you not see that?(now that is directly contextual)

I dare you to try to "wash" the dishes tonight without water. Or take a bath for that matter.

There is more than one reason that water baptism is COMMANDED my brother.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

I dont see another concept presented here to wash away sins, but to be baptized. If I was on the receiving end of that statement, I would have equated baptism with my sins being washed away. (you know..WATER(baptized)....WASH, (I kinda see it like that), just most folks use water to wash stuff, but what do I know?, maybe baptism is like a "waterless car wash"...LOL....respectfully


Brother, look at the passage again...Arise>Baptized(water)>WASH(water) AWAY THY SINS,,,,Brother, this is clean as a whistle. How my brother, can you not see that?(now that is directly contextual)

I dare you to try to "wash" the dishes tonight without water. Or take a bath for that matter.

There is more than one reason that water baptism is COMMANDED my brother.

The Bible also speaks of the blood of Jesus purging our conscience of dead works. Sean, do you believe that literal blood somehow passed into your conscience and cleansed it?

We can link "washing away thy sins" in that passage to "calling on the name of the Lord" just as easily. That fits perfectly with the Apostolic message that Saul had rejected to that point that Jesus was Lord. To be forgiven Saul had to accept that message by professing Jesus as Lord and being baptized. When he did that, Jesus "washed his sins away".

And I affirm that baptism is commanded and is linked to washing away or forgiveness of our sins. Have I denied that? I just happen to believe that it is Jesus himself that does the forgiving and not the water.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The Bible also speaks of the blood of Jesus purging our conscience of dead works. Sean, do you believe that literal blood somehow passed into your conscience and cleansed it?

We can link "washing away thy sins" in that passage to "calling on the name of the Lord" just as easily. That fits perfectly with the Apostolic message that Saul had rejected to that point that Jesus was Lord. To be forgiven Saul had to accept that message by professing Jesus as Lord and being baptized. When he did that, Jesus "washed his sins away".

And I affirm that baptism is commanded and is linked to washing away or forgiveness of our sins. Have I denied that? I just happen to believe that it is Jesus himself that does the forgiving and not the water.

ORIGINALIST






Brother, before we start a paper chase down a rabbit hole as all of Christianity does. Imagine yourself for just a moment, living in the 1st century, you are the Paul, Ananias tells you to arise, be baptized, washing away thy sins.

Would you just say, "yes sir, I would love to be baptized and wash away my sins" ....or would you tell Ananias, "sure I will be baptized, but not to wash away my sins though, because water baptism DOES NOT WASH AWAY MY SINS".


Well that sound ridiculous, but thats what you are saying about this passage bro. Maybe you could pull out your pocket New Testament and concordance, looking up the word "blood or wash", and tell the same thing to Ananias you told me if you were the Paul.
See how complicated you have made this simple passage?

Brother, this passage is SELF INTERPRETING... just like most misinterpreted passages these days. Again, just think like Paul thought, when Ananias told him what he told him, and you cannot go wrong.

Remember this...the foundational interpretation of every passage is the passage itself. If there is absolutely no way to understand it, then hit the concordance.



That is the safest and best way to interpret scripture

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

ORIGINALIST






Brother, before we start a paper chase down a rabbit hole as all of Christianity does. Imagine yourself for just a moment, living in the 1st century, you are the Paul, Ananias tells you to arise, be baptized, washing away thy sins.

Would you just say, "yes sir, I would love to be baptized and wash away my sins" ....or would you tell Ananias, "sure I will be baptized, but not to wash away my sins though, because water baptism DOES NOT WASH AWAY MY SINS".


Well that sound ridiculous, but thats what you are saying about this passage bro. Maybe you could pull out your pocket New Testament and concordance, looking up the word "blood or wash", and tell the same thing to Ananias you told me if you were the Paul.
See how complicated you have made this simple passage?

Brother, this passage is SELF INTERPRETING... just like most misinterpreted passages these days. Again, just think like Paul thought, when Ananias told him what he told him, and you cannot go wrong.

Remember this...the foundational interpretation of every passage is the passage itself. If there is absolutely no way to understand it, then hit the concordance.



That is the safest and best way to interpret scripture

I understand your stance because you are one of the few Apostolics I've met that believes n baptismal regeneration. I do not. Peter declared in Acts 2:38 to repent and be baptized...in order that your sins may be forgiven. Sean, do repentance and baptism have the ability to forgive sins? Are they self aware beings?

[Sean]

[QUOTE=Originalist;1320467]I understand your stance because you are one of the few Apostolics I've met that believes n baptismal regeneration. I do not. Peter declared in Acts 2:38 to repent and be baptized...in order that your sins may be forgiven. Sean, do repentance and baptism have the ability to forgive sins? Are they self aware beings?[/QUOTE]






Of course not.

Repentance and baptism are simply our requirements to receive forgiveness and remission of sins bro.

The very acts themselves cause a response from God towards us for salvation.


Brother, dont you think it is kinda strange, you are working this hard to make a verse like the one we are talking about mean something else? Just think about this for a minute. Are there alterior motives, bias? It is obviously "bucking" your theology. It may be part of a root system of faulty beliefs. I have noticed that stuff on me in the past and had to deal with it. There have been some big weeds in my theology in the past, that when I noticed a root, I found it attached to a weed and pulled out the whole thing.


I am not too proud to admit this either. I have recently "busted" some folks on clear misinterpretations on other threads, but they are soooo proud, they would not ever admit that they misquoted something, they just "stick to their story". Worried that their entire concept could "domino" down I guess.

[Originalist]

[QUOTE=Sean;1320502]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I understand your stance because you are one of the few Apostolics I've met that believes n baptismal regeneration. I do not. Peter declared in Acts 2:38 to repent and be baptized...in order that your sins may be forgiven. Sean, do repentance and baptism have the ability to forgive sins? Are they self aware beings?[/QUOTE]






Of course not.

Repentance and baptism are simply our requirements to receive forgiveness and remission of sins bro.

The very acts themselves cause a response from God towards us for salvation.


Brother, dont you think it is kinda strange, you are working this hard to make a verse like the one we are talking about mean something else? Just think about this for a minute. Are there alterior motives, bias? It is obviously "bucking" your theology. It may be part of a root system of faulty beliefs. I have noticed that stuff on me in the past and had to deal with it. There have been some big weeds in my theology in the past, that when I noticed a root, I found it attached to a weed and pulled out the whole thing.

Sean I do not know how old you are or how long you've had the Holy Ghost. I am 48 and have had the Holy Ghost since 1981. I have lived for God since that time. Certainly I know what it is like to have God stand your beliefs on their head. I was once licensed with the AoG. In 1993 I joined the UPCI. That should tell you something. But just because I joined the Apostolics does not mean I've arrived and can't keep learning. but this close mindedness to any new truth of scripture is a problem in our movement. I sense this in you now, respectfully. You've been led to believe that the sins are remitted BY baptism. I feel the scriptures teach they are remitted IN repentance and baptism BY God for Christ's sake. You've been led to believe that orally invoking the name of Jesus in baptism somehow magically takes away sins. I feel the scripture teaches that baptism is a response to the message preached by the Apostles concerning the risen and glorified Christ and is an act of submission to that message and the One preached. When we submit to him in baptism, HE forgives us. There is not some salvation power to wash sin flowing from the baptizers lips , into the water that somehow magically cures your sin ailment. That's what you seem to believe.

[Sean]

[QUOTE=Originalist;1320504]

Originally Posted by Sean

Sean I do not know how old you are or how long you've had the Holy Ghost. I am 48 and have had the Holy Ghost since 1981. I have lived for God since that time. Certainly I know what it is like to have God stand your beliefs on their head. I was once licensed with the AoG. In 1993 I joined the UPCI. That should tell you something. But just because I joined the Apostolics does not mean I've arrived and can't keep learning. but this close mindedness to any new truth of scripture is a problem in our movement. I sense this in you now, respectfully. You've been led to believe that the sins are remitted BY baptism. I feel the scriptures teach they are remitted IN repentance and baptism BY God for Christ's sake. You've been led to believe that orally invoking the name of Jesus in baptism somehow magically takes away sins. I feel the scripture teaches that baptism is a response to the message preached by the Apostles concerning the risen and glorified Christ and is an act of submission to that message and the One preached. When we submit to him in baptism, HE forgives us. There is not some salvation power to wash sin flowing from the baptizers lips , into the water that somehow magically cures your sin ailment. That's what you seem to believe.

Brother, right here shows your bias, the name that is among every name(Jesus) is not "magic".(that is a derision of the greatest name ever spoken to mankind) I have heard debates when the trinitarians commonly called the name of Jesus during baptism, our little "magical" formula.

Could this statement have its roots in you A of G days?

They are the ones that say this.



BTW, I am 52 and was saved in 1979. I was debating trinitarians within 6 months...LOL