Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully

Pressing-On · #1 07-09-2014, 04:14 PM

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Guys, I thought I would post this from a different thread yhat we are hving a debate on for those that never considered this...

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Read it CAREFULLY bro.

Jesus said....8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth(it cannot be felt, thus you cannot know the direction of it, the only way to identify it is a SOUND) so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Acts 2:2....2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind,(not a wind, but the SOUND of a wind) and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

We have heard preachers all our life say it was a wind...that is not the truth.

It was only a SOUND of a wind in both passages. That was a miraculous "sign" that Jesus gave in John 3 of how to identify the actual outpouring of the Holy Ghost for the 1st time in history.

Read it carefully....

So is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Now look at what happened next...Acts 2:41

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

You see the fulfillment of the the Spirit birth AND the Water birth in Acts 2

I've always understood it to be imagery and not actually wind (as of) or even the actual sound of wind. It is the same as Matthew 3:16 "...he saw the spirit of God descending like a dove...." It wasn't an actual dove (like a), but imagery of gentleness, the dove being the most gentle of birds.

Sean · #2 07-09-2014, 04:31 PM

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I've always understood it to be imagery and not actually wind (as of) or even the actual sound of wind. It is the same as Matthew 3:16 "...he saw the spirit of God descending like a dove...." It wasn't an actual dove (like a), but imagery of gentleness, the dove being the most gentle of birds.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled(the sound) all the house where they were sitting.

It was an actual sound, and it was heard by all....(like a loud windstorm without the physical effects of wind)

Pressing-On · #3 07-09-2014, 04:35 PM

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2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled(the sound) all the house where they were sitting.

It was an actual sound, and it was heard by all....

"as of"? Isn't that imagery?

Sean · #4 07-09-2014, 04:40 PM

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"as of"? Isn't that imagery?

Not at all, it was not Imagery. It does no way imply that they "imagined" a sound of a wind. It filled all the house! It was a literal miracle, and Jesus prophecied it would happen in John 3...It would confirm to them the start of the New Birth experience for the early Church.

Pressing-On · #5 07-09-2014, 04:43 PM

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Not at all, it was not Imagery. It does no way imply that they "imagined" a sound of a wind. It filled all the house! It was a literal miracle, and Jesus prophecied it would happen in John 3...It would confirm to them the start of the New Birth experience for the early Church.

Imagery - the formation of mental images, figures, or likenesses of things.

When I have been in a service where the Holy Ghost sweeps over the place, it is the imagery of the sound of wind, but it is not wind at all. "As of" is imagery. lol

Sean · #6 07-09-2014, 04:48 PM

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Imagery - the formation of mental images, figures, or likenesses of things.

When I have been in a service where the Holy Ghost sweeps over the place, it is the imagery of the sound of wind, but it is not wind at all. "As of" is imagery. lol

Ok, I get what you are thinking....

It was a Literal, LOUD SOUND of a (rushing mighty wind)...like a hurricane, but with no physical effects(destroyed stuff)...It says it FILLED all the house that they were sitting in, (not a mental image in their heads)...

Pressing-On · #7 07-09-2014, 04:53 PM

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Ok, I get what you are thinking....

It was a Literal, LOUD SOUND of a (rushing mighty wind)...like a hurricane, but with no physical effects(destroyed stuff)...It says it FILLED all the house that they were sitting in, (not a mental image in their heads)...

Right, a literal sound that they used imagery to describe - loud wind.

The Spirit that descended upon Jesus wasn't an actual dove, the imagery was gentleness, hence the imagery of a dove.