Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully

Pressing-On · #1 07-09-2014, 04:43 PM

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Not at all, it was not Imagery. It does no way imply that they "imagined" a sound of a wind. It filled all the house! It was a literal miracle, and Jesus prophecied it would happen in John 3...It would confirm to them the start of the New Birth experience for the early Church.

Imagery - the formation of mental images, figures, or likenesses of things.

When I have been in a service where the Holy Ghost sweeps over the place, it is the imagery of the sound of wind, but it is not wind at all. "As of" is imagery. lol

Sean · #2 07-09-2014, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Imagery - the formation of mental images, figures, or likenesses of things.

When I have been in a service where the Holy Ghost sweeps over the place, it is the imagery of the sound of wind, but it is not wind at all. "As of" is imagery. lol

Ok, I get what you are thinking....

It was a Literal, LOUD SOUND of a (rushing mighty wind)...like a hurricane, but with no physical effects(destroyed stuff)...It says it FILLED all the house that they were sitting in, (not a mental image in their heads)...

Pressing-On · #3 07-09-2014, 04:53 PM

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Ok, I get what you are thinking....

It was a Literal, LOUD SOUND of a (rushing mighty wind)...like a hurricane, but with no physical effects(destroyed stuff)...It says it FILLED all the house that they were sitting in, (not a mental image in their heads)...

Right, a literal sound that they used imagery to describe - loud wind.

The Spirit that descended upon Jesus wasn't an actual dove, the imagery was gentleness, hence the imagery of a dove.

Sean · #4 07-09-2014, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Right, a literal sound that they used imagery to describe - loud wind.

The Spirit that descended upon Jesus wasn't an actual dove, the imagery was gentleness, hence the imagery of a dove.

Thats fine, Are you saying though, that there was no actual sound from HEAVEN of a rushing mighty wind that FILLED the house???

Please tell me where you are going here....

Pressing-On · #5 07-09-2014, 05:08 PM

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Thats fine, Are you saying though, that there was no actual sound from HEAVEN of a rushing mighty wind that FILLED the house???

Please tell me where you are going here....

I am saying that the Bible says, "As of", that means in the Greek, "exactly like". So, whatever the sound was, it reminded them of wind. So, yes, I am saying they apparently heard something. They used imagery to describe the sound as something they were familiar with, wind.

Sean · #6 07-09-2014, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am saying that the Bible says, "As of", that means in the Greek, "exactly like". So, whatever the sound was, it reminded them of wind. So, yes, I am saying they apparently heard something. They used imagery to describe the sound as something they were familiar with, wind.

Ok, thanks. I needed your clarification. forgive me for being slow...LOL

Pressing-On · #7 07-09-2014, 05:24 PM

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Ok, thanks. I needed your clarification. forgive me for being slow...LOL

We were on the same page from the beginning. I was speaking more to your point in Post #44 "We have heard preachers all our life say it was a wind..."

Then you went on to say "It was only a sound of a wind." Which kind of looks like you were still having the idea that it was wind. Sound of wind doesn't support that view, but sound of "a" wind does. So, I was confused by your post, initially.

Of course, these posts could be a very good example of nitpicking the scriptures to death.