55th Annual Campmeeting (For Bro Eply)

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I agree with this. I have spent a great deal studying Preterism and still never came to an understanding on it. There are sooooo many different versions. I cannot escape the fact that the Bible also clearly teaches a thousand year millennial reign.

I do only believe in one Second coming though. Not two phases.

It's not important enough for me to debate...as long as we can agree Jesus is coming back. My pastor and I share slightly different views and he was very clear "You have a right to study and figure out what you believe on it....just don't get stuck on it".

KC, respectfully, you use that as a reason? When dispensationalism has sooooo many versions of that doctrine? That is one reason I have a real problem with dispensationalism. Pre, mid, post, post trib historist, and etc.

Secondly, study the Bible again. It does not teach clearly a thousand year reign. Only one chapter teached it, Rev 20.

If we took the same basis to teach other doctrines we would be in trouble.

Respectfully

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

KC, respectfully, you use that as a reason? When dispensationalism has sooooo many versions of that doctrine? That is one reason I have a real problem with dispensationalism. Pre, mid, post, post trib historist, and etc.

Secondly, study the Bible again. It does not teach clearly a thousand year reign. Only one chapter teached it, Rev 20.

If we took the same basis to teach other doctrines we would be in trouble.

Respectfully

No....we would be Bible believers. I don't need 50 references to establish doctrine. If it says it, it means it.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

No....we would be Bible believers. I don't need 50 references to establish doctrine. If it says it, it means it.

The Bible is clear, you need at least 2 references to establish a doctrine.

at the mouth of two or three witness let everything be established.

unless we have at least 2 scriptures we can not build any doctrine upon it.

otherwise we need to start baptizing for the dead.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The Bible is clear, you need at least 2 references to establish a doctrine.

at the mouth of two or three witness let everything be established.

unless we have at least 2 scriptures we can not build any doctrine upon it.

otherwise we need to start baptizing for the dead.

talk about taking scripture out of context...

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

talk about taking scripture out of context...

It is not out of context
every doctrine needs to be supported by at least two scriptures.
to do otherwise is to be non-biblical.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

It is not out of context
every doctrine needs to be supported by at least two scriptures.
to do otherwise is to be non-biblical.

so a single scripture if not explicitly reaffirmed by another scripture is wrong?

I don't think so.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

so a single scripture if not explicitly reaffirmed by another scripture is wrong?

I don't think so.

You may not think so, but Jesus said it.

Jesus said it, and I believe it.

The scripture is never wrong, but the interpretation often is.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

It is not out of context
every doctrine needs to be supported by at least two scriptures.
to do otherwise is to be non-biblical.

Also is should have some sort of foundation in the Old Testament. The Old should always point the way to the New.

Where in the Old Testament is the Millenium Reign pointed to? Where is the OT foundation?

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

No....we would be Bible believers. I don't need 50 references to establish doctrine. If it says it, it means it.

You may not need fifty but you do need more than one. Sorry folks, but that is why you got sucked up into the false doctrine of dispensationalism.

Dispensationalism is trinitarian in origin and you bought it hook line and sinker.

Rev 20 is the only, and I mean the only place that 1000 years is mentioned in that fashion. It is mentioned in a figurative sense, how else can you have beheaded and martyered souls ruling and reigning?

Ah, but that is right. You are a dispee and you "Take it like it is written!"

So the beasts are literal, the seas and all that, literal too?

That is why you got sucked up into that heresy, because you don't build on a good foundation of Biblical study.

[houston]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

No....we would be Bible believers. I don't need 50 references to establish doctrine. If it says it, it means it.

Leviticus 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.