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Old 07-13-2014, 09:01 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

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[COLOR="Red"]The Holy Ghost falls on people to lead them to water baptism and get their sins remitted. QUOTE]

Love ya man, but that is simply downplaying the significance of Spirit baptism.

God gives people his spirit for the following reasons........


New birth (John 3:5)

The rest I'll just repeat my previous comments....

Furthermore, God credits those who have the Spirit as having met all the righteous requirements of the Law through Christ's death. ...



Those Trinitarians who have the Holy Ghost are not in the flesh, and belong to Christ in spite of their imperfect doctrine of God and in spite of the fact that the man who baptized them messed it up......




Again, in romans 8 Paul is not contrasting "weak Christians" who are "in the flesh" with those stronger Christians who are "walking in the Spirit". He is contrasting to dominions, the flesh and the Spirit. he makes it clear that one who has the Spirit dwelling in them is NOT IN THE FLESH. Sean, you contradict Paul by saying that those Christians with the Holy Ghost who had an imperfect baptism are still in their sins. Here Paul clearly contradicts any such notion.

Furthermore, those same Holy Ghost filled Trinitarians have life because of the imputed righteousness of Christ that is in them.....





Is Christ in them or not, Sean?

Continuing, those Holy Ghost filled Trinitarians will one day have their mortal bodies quickened just like those Holy Ghost filled Oneness folk...








Finally, those very imperfect Holy Ghost filled Trinitarians who though they have imperfect doctrine, are spirit led and Spirit adopted children of God, heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ......





The Apostle Peter declared in Acts 5 this concerning Holy Ghost baptism....





When God gives someone the Holy Ghost, he is declaring that that person has "obeyed" the gospel according to Peter. What gospel? The gospel Peter mentioned in verses 29-31....





Acts 5:32 blows any idea out of the water that the Holy Ghost falls on people just to lead them to be rebaptized so they won't still be in their sins.

Holy Ghost filled Trinitarians believe that God raised Jesus, exalted him, and he alone can forgive sins. When they submit to that message, God fills them with his Spirit just like us.

Is there doctrine perfect? No. Should the preacher have invoked the name of Jesus when he baptized them? Yes. Should we try to lead them into more truth? Yes. But we should admonish them as BROTHERS, for all the reasons I mentioned in this post.

These points are irrefutable despite the efforts of some to twist the clear wording and context of Romans 7 and 8. It would be better to claim these people really don't have the Holy Ghost than to come up with a ridiculous soteriology that makes Oneness Pentecostals look like a bunch of buffoons.



Again bro.....you completely missed what I was saying....You keep quoting Romans to the UNSAVED(here on AFF that have not been baptized in the Name of Jesus)...It is really a "spiritual blindness" that you guys are under.
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Old 07-13-2014, 09:05 PM
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Again bro.....you completely missed what I was saying....You keep quoting Romans to the UNSAVED(here on AFF that have not been baptized in the Name of Jesus)...It is really a "spiritual blindness" that you guys are under.
I am NOT quoting Romans to the unsaved. I'm showing you through Romans that there are some people God says are saved you say are not.
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Old 07-13-2014, 09:15 PM
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I am NOT quoting Romans to the unsaved. I'm showing you through Romans that there are some people God says are saved you say are not.



I told you I would drop the "E" bomb on you if you try to tell me the Acts 2:38 skippers are saved!
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Old 07-13-2014, 09:26 PM
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I told you I would drop the "E" bomb on you if you try to tell me the Acts 2:38 skippers are saved!
You miss the point here. God obviously does NOT consider them to be Acts 2:38 skippers. You try to bind God and insist that he require absolute perfection in order for Acts 2:38 to have been truly fulfilled. He defies you by adopting people into his family by his Spirit who stumbled around but were still making Jesus their Lord and repenting, howbeit with an imperfect baptism. Stop being the judge of another man's servant.

As I've pointed out before, guys like G.T. Haywood and Andrew Urshan would not agree with you.
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Old 07-13-2014, 09:35 PM
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You miss the point here. God obviously does NOT consider them to be Acts 2:38 skippers. You try to bind God and insist that he require absolute perfection in order for Acts 2:38 to have been truly fulfilled. He defies you by adopting people into his family by his Spirit who stumbled around but were still making Jesus their Lord and repenting, howbeit with an imperfect baptism. Stop being the judge of another man's servant.

As I've pointed out before, guys like G.T. Haywood and Andrew Urshan would not agree with you.



Bro, that is a cop out.....Im making an undisputable point to help someone see the truth and you say that "your judging".....I am not trying to win an argument, I am trying to win a soul. If John the Baptist got in your face and shouted..."REPENT"!!!, would you tell him..."your judging". These men, if not Bapized in the name of Jesus will go into eternity wil their sins UNREMITTED. That is a terrifying place to be as a believer in Jesus.



Matthew 7:21-24King James Version (KJV)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


These folks were not BAPTIZED (into) CHRIST, but knew how to use His name....

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Old 07-13-2014, 09:48 PM
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Bro, that is a cop out.....Im making an undisputable point to help someone see the truth and you say that "your judging".....I am not trying to win an argument, I am trying to win a soul. If John the Baptist got in your face and shouted..."REPENT"!!!, would you tell him..."your judging". These men, if not Bapized in the name of Jesus will go into eternity wil their sins UNREMITTED.That is a terrifying place to be as a believer in Jesus.



Matthew 7:21-24King James Version (KJV)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


These folks were not BAPTIZED (into) CHRIST, but knew how to use His name....

What does the passage in Matthew have to do with what we have been talking about? NOTHING. Apples and oranges, my brother.
You are choosing to ignore so much that has been presented to you out of a misplaced sense of obligation. You don't "win" someone who has already been won.

I'm not referring to people like this passage in Matthew describes. I'm talking about broken people, repenting, humbled under the shadow of a blood stained cross,crying out for mercy.

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Old 07-13-2014, 09:56 PM
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What does the passage in Matthew have to do with what we have been talking about? NOTHING. apples and oranges, my brother.
You are choosing to ignore so much that has been presented to you out of a misplaced sense of obligation. You don't "win" someone who has already been won.

I'm not referring to people like this passage in Matthew describes. I'm talking about broken people, repenting, humbled under the shadow of a blood stained cross,crying out for mercy.

Yeah right, humble loving folks that scratch and claw at scripture with all they got and build universities to create teachers to teach masses to NOT get baptized in the name of Jesus and so humbly teach others they do not need to be baptized in the Name of Jesus...Oh so humble...LOL



If these folks do not get it right, they will face the Lord at the great white throne and be judged according to their "works".

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