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Old 09-09-2014, 10:07 AM
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CJ that's what they all say.

A very different view since the earliest of the early church? Wow, that must be real early. The Hebrews of the Hebrew Bible would be considered the earliest, and they didn't believe everyone was saved. The teaching that the burning flames of the lake of fire are meant to purge sins so the soul will be redeemed was not taught by Jesus Christ. Mark 3:29, Luke 12:10, Blaspheming the Holy Ghost was never to be forgiven, therefore eliminating any hope for salvation. The Apostle writes Hebrews 6:4-6...

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Impossible if they fall away to renew themselves unto repentance?

The Apostle goes on further to say this in Hebrews 10:26...

For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. Someone who rejected the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Just think how much WORSE the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Ghost who brings God's mercy to us.

Sorry CJ, but that's no fire of purification, but a fire of decimation.

Yet, I'm eager to learn, so by all means please show how these scriptures offer hope to those who reject God in this life and were Christ haters.
If I show historical evidence of the majority opinion until the 5th century will you really consider it??
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If I show historical evidence of the majority opinion until the 5th century will you really consider it??
CJ I always consider information that doesn't contradict the totality of scripture. Yet, I want you to promise not to be upset if what you offer can be easily refuted with what I already presented in this thread. I already posted how ancient paganism, Hinduism, and Buddhism also offer doctrines of after death purging, purging that also rehabilitates demons. But please post the history of the individuals who believed Universal Salvation. Also answer the issues I offered in my two last posts.
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CJ I always consider information that doesn't contradict the totality of scripture. Yet, I want you to promise not to be upset if what you offer can be easily refuted with what I already presented in this thread. I already posted how ancient paganism, Hinduism, and Buddhism also offer doctrines of after death purging, purging that also rehabilitates demons. But please post the history of the individuals who believed Universal Salvation. Also answer the issues I offered in my two last posts.
I will review my previous posts, if this is territory the we have already covered, I have no desire to pursue it again.
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