dispensationalism is a brand new theology created in the 18th century its main proponent was John Nelson Darby and widely disseminated by the Scoffield bible. before then it did not exist.
No one in the church ever taught dispensationalism.
It is only by twisting the scriptures and matching texts here and there willy nilly can anyone argue for dispensationalism.
Paul taught it.....Ephesians 1:10
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
The resurrection of the dead, and the coming of the Lord are the two biblical terms for the idea of the catching away of the saints, and the transformation from mortal to immortality.
The whole premise behind the "Left Behind" movies is that it will be a secret event, and people will just disappear, and no one will know why, which is totally false.
Read this passage here - it couldn't be plainer, in my opinion:
Matt. 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
After the days of tribulation, then the sign of the Son of man shall appear, and ALL the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they SHALL SEE Jesus, who shall send his angels with the GREAT SOUND of a trumpet to gather his elect from the four corners of the earth.
There is nothing in the above passage that suggests a silent, stealthy, mysterious event. EVERYONE on earth will know what is happening. There will be no doubt in anyone's mind what has taken place.
The resurrection of the dead, and the coming of the Lord are the two biblical terms for the idea of the catching away of the saints, and the transformation from mortal to immortality.
The whole premise behind the "Left Behind" movies is that it will be a secret event, and people will just disappear, and no one will know why, which is totally false.
Read this passage here - it couldn't be plainer, in my opinion:
Matt. 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
After the days of tribulation, then the sign of the Son of man shall appear, and ALL the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they SHALL SEE Jesus, who shall send his angels with the GREAT SOUND of a trumpet to gather his elect from the four corners of the earth.
There is nothing in the above passage that suggests a silent, stealthy, mysterious event. EVERYONE on earth will know what is happening. There will be no doubt in anyone's mind what has taken place.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Pre trib and preterist are much alike. Anything to avoid the thought of going through the great tribulation.
As someone said, that is patently NOT the reason people are preterists, partial or full. We believe tribulation is our lot in this life for any age. The church was here for the great tribulation way back in the first century. It was not raptured. So this post is indeed disingenuous.
Acts 14:22 KJV Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
That is true for any century.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I am having fun watching all the nonsense of this pre-tribulation fantasy.
I think is should be classed as a Christian comedy.
Oh, you mean those Christian horror flicks?
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Ok... then when was the sign of the son of Man in the sky? When have ALL the tribes of the earth mourned? When has EVERYONE seen the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and glory? When have the angels sounded a trumpet and gathered all the elect together?
As someone said, that is patently NOT the reason people are preterists, partial or full. We believe tribulation is our lot in this life for any age. The was here for the great tribulation way back in the first century. It was not raptured. So this post is indeed disingenuous.
Acts 14:22 KJV Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
That is true for any century.
I do believe that Christians in every walk of life will suffer tribulation, and persecution of one kind or another.
Ok... then when was the sign of the son of Man in the sky?
Notice the terminology. It is HEAVEN, not the sky. We cannot see into heaven. It was A "SIGN" of Jesus in Heaven. If it was the Son of man Himself there would be no mention of a SIGN for HIM.
If we read Daniel 7, we read of the son of man IN CLOUDS IN HEAVEN, but He went to the throne, not the earth. And the SIGN OF THAT -- the sign of Him having gone to the throne -- were events that occurred on earth. the SIGN the disciples asked about in verse 3. And that SIGN of what they asked about is the same SIGN of the temple destruction in Mark 13:4 and Luke 21:7. Note reference to THESE THINGS in those verses and read before them to see what THESE THINGS refer to. they sought a sign of Jesus coming in destruction!
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When have ALL the tribes of the earth mourned?
EARTH is LAND in Greek. TRIBES OF THE LAND. Isreal's tribes. Do you not think they mourned when the capital city and temple were razed to the ground?
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When has EVERYONE seen the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and glory?
He came TO THE THRONE as Daniel 7 attests. THE SIGN OF THAT presence in clouds in heaven was the things he said would occur in Jerusalem.
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When have the angels sounded a trumpet and gathered all the elect together?
You have to understand what the gathering means to know that, and that is understood by what we read using the same terms in Matt 23:37. What did he mean there? Also, compare Matt 23:36, and consider who he meant, with Matt 24:34.
Matthew 24:34 GNB Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I do believe that Christians in every walk of life will suffer tribulation, and persecution of one kind or another.
Amen.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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